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High-Level Talks Focus on US-China Trade Dispute
CNSNews.com ^ | October 28, 2003 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 10/29/2003 11:21:43 AM PST by GrandMoM

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To: Dr Warmoose
Can anyone here recall any culture or country where the politicians and business leaders did everything in their power to destroy their own people and build up all of their neighbors?

Poland in XVIIIc? I am sure there are more examples - "there is no new thing under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 1:9 - "nihil sub sole novum").

21 posted on 10/30/2003 5:52:46 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Dr Warmoose
Someday, somehow, we will have a government that actually represents American interests. I keep telling myself that. It keeps me from losing my f**king mind.
Can anyone here recall any culture or country where the politicians and business leaders did everything in their power to destroy their own people and build up all of their neighbors?


This is how I am beginning to feel too. We need to start holding some feet to the fire.
22 posted on 10/30/2003 6:00:57 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: Dr Warmoose
Someday, somehow, we will have a government that actually represents American interests. I keep telling myself that. It keeps me from losing my f**king mind.
Can anyone here recall any culture or country where the politicians and business leaders did everything in their power to destroy their own people and build up all of their neighbors?


This is how I am beginning to feel too. We need to start holding some feet to the fire.
23 posted on 10/30/2003 6:03:20 AM PST by RiflemanSharpe (An American for a more socially and fiscally conservation America!)
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To: A. Pole
they care only about their short term profits and if they could they would raise the price through the roof.

Considering the amount of money and effort already expended to forge relationships with PLA officials, the Free Traitors have a large investment in treason.

And when the domestic production is eliminated, they may!

That is the Walmart Model. Get real large and buy your Communist Kitch by the container load, then dump the products on the market, overwhelming the smaller operations that can't purchase full containers nor dictate terms to the suppliers. The Free Traitors are correct in this regard - Walmart has saved the US consumer over $10 billion when calculated at the cash register. Free Traitors will never tell you the costs that don't show up on your receipt.

Palm, as in the makers of the Palm Pilot, deliberately designed the original Zire to be at what the marketers consider a "Single Decision Price". What they mean by that is that the price is so low that the purchaser doesn't need to share the decision to buy with their spouse (as one would do with a $800 TV, or a set of Ping golf clubs). The goal is that a person would see the Palm in it's shrinkwrap container and make a spontaneous purchase. Where am I going with this? Walmart has converted more and more items to "Single Decision" products - this procedure has enabled people to have less discretion in their purchases, allowing people to piss away their money on non-necessary goods. Ultimately this junk ends up in the sanitary land-fill - bypassing the garage sale since it is so crappy in the first place, and for the privlege of being able to make spontaneous irresponsible purchases of junk, we are said to save $10 billion. Oh boy.

24 posted on 10/30/2003 6:42:46 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: RiflemanSharpe
We need to start holding some feet to the fire.

Or just open fire...

25 posted on 10/30/2003 6:43:54 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
....in a discussion yesterday, this subject came up and someone mentioned that Wal-mart had contracts with big name companies to produce an inferior copy (plastic parts) of some of their popular products, then Wal-Mart would offer at a lower price with a limitted warranty.

These products would last only a limited time and the buyers had to toss it, because the warranty had expired. Know anything about this??????

26 posted on 10/30/2003 7:02:24 AM PST by GrandMoM ("Without prayer, the hand of GOD stops, BUT, with prayer the hand of GOD moves !!!)
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To: harpseal
The Heritage foundation getting really pathetic when
they suggest we use the WTO to protect our interests.

The WTO always will rule against the USA.
27 posted on 10/30/2003 9:09:37 PM PST by Princeliberty
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To: RiflemanSharpe
You might be able to say the northern kingdom of
Israel was like that during its last stages
before its destruction.
28 posted on 10/30/2003 9:12:29 PM PST by Princeliberty
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Back in those days the kids had to work along with
with both parents to maintain the same middle class
lifestyle. Today of course only both parents
have to work to maintain the same middle class standard
of living.

We have to work less and less each year to maintain
the same standard of living right?


29 posted on 10/30/2003 9:17:36 PM PST by Princeliberty
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To: lelio
Of course by two way trade he meant
China exports directly to USA and
China exports a second way through
Mexico to USA.
30 posted on 10/30/2003 9:27:41 PM PST by Princeliberty
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To: RiflemanSharpe
Someday, somehow, we will have a government that actually represents American interests. I keep telling myself that.

You are correct. And that day is coming sooner than you might think. Of course, those "American interests" will not be the same "American interests" that you might be expecting them to be (you and I, and most Americans, might not be included in them).

31 posted on 10/31/2003 6:50:27 AM PST by templar
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To: A. Pole
10% or 15% tariff would not be punitive and would not raise price so much. Free traders are hypocritical - they do not care about consumers any more that they care about workers, they care only about their short term profits and if they could they would raise the price through the roof. And when the domestic production is eliminated, they may!

Massive MEGA-BUMP for that one.

32 posted on 10/31/2003 6:56:08 AM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: Princeliberty
Back in those days...

I grew up 'back in those days'. "Back in those days" a man almost always supported his family on his own wages alone. Women generally did not work and stayed home to raise the children. Families were usually larger as well, which make the discrepancy even greater. Today, it almost always takes both the man and the woman working to maintain the same lifestyle (some would argue the the lifestyle has degenerated), and large numbers of people require government assistance of some sort as well.

33 posted on 10/31/2003 6:57:48 AM PST by templar
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To: Dr Warmoose
That's funny. I'm a traitor for resisting your attempt to raise my taxes. Where have I heard that before?
34 posted on 10/31/2003 7:13:30 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Princeliberty
The WTO always will rule against the USA.

If that's the way you feel. If not, try a Google-search on "wto+ruling."

35 posted on 10/31/2003 7:15:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: templar
That's because women were owned as slaves by the males
and if they tried to work or go to school a big nasty
troll would hit them with his huge club.

I know its true Hillary told me herself!
36 posted on 10/31/2003 8:08:38 AM PST by Princeliberty
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To: 1rudeboy
That's funny. I'm a traitor for resisting your attempt to raise my taxes. Where have I heard that before?

It seems you have selective hearing. This is because you must shill for the Hate America crowd, and therefore you ignore the parts that say that the money raised by tariffs (a tax on foreign producers and domestic consumers), is used to reduce taxes on domestic producers and thus makes domestic products cheaper for everyone.

You prefer to keep Americans uncompetitive and you prefer to maximize the penalties on US Producers and minimize penalites on foreign Producers. That makes you a traitor to this country and a whore to China.

We need fewer people like you, and more patriots.

37 posted on 10/31/2003 9:39:48 AM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
Riiight. Tariffs reduce taxes. Tariffs make products cheaper. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.
38 posted on 10/31/2003 3:23:43 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Riiight. Tariffs reduce taxes. Tariffs make products cheaper. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength.

Being stupid doesn't help make your comment witty.

I know being a Libertarian is a mental defect, so therefore you don't understand Cause & Effect. But for those who read these things and aren't constrained like you by their own penchant for anti-Americanism, tariffs tax the other guy. Since you are pro-Chinese, pro-Malaysian, pro-Mexican, anti-American, this probably causes you great distress and emotional turmoil to even contemplate passing the tax burden from American workers to foreign workers who only see the United States as a place to dump their products and their unwanted citizens.

I know that Libertarians wish to see the present mechanism of penalizing profits and taxing the American producers continue. Any thought of reducing taxes on US citizens by transfering those taxes to foreign businesses probably makes you break out in hives. That is why you write stupid and vapid dreck like you did.

Tariffs can reduce taxes on American workers. Certainly when tariffs are placed on goods that can be made domestically, then American workers are more competitive and can be hired. But you, like your Liberal bretheren wish to see American workers stay on the unemployement line and depend on government to survive. You would much rather see Chinese slave labor goods sold in the US at "dumping" prices because you would rather see the Chinese military use money from American consumers to build weapons to spread their Communism. Again, your goals are identical to your leftist bretheren.

Tariffs do make products cheaper - usually in the long run. If the reason why products are not made domestically is because of the high cost of labor and the regulation that accompanies labor, then labor is often replaced with technology (requiring high-tech workers to design and build such automation). Presently, it is easier and cheaper to use slave labor, but if these low prices due to slave labor are raised by tariffs, then that advantage is lost and then automation becomes more attractive. There is a reason why hand-crafted cars cost considerably more than mass-produced types. Apparently as a Libertarian, you prefer to see more slavery and less technology.

Your comment "Freedom is Slavery" seems to be a Freudian slip, and you are really stating what you truly believe.

And last, "War is Peace" comes straight from the aparatchiks of the Communist Party. The Marxists accused Ronald Reagan for wanting to go to war by building the MX and Peace Keeper missles, and later by introducing SDI. By you parroting perfectly the rhetoric of the Marixsts, you are showing the Libertarian philosophical roots in global tyranny. As you may know, the Libertarian Party was totally for the US not defending herself against terrorism, and the Libertarians joined their bretheren arm in arm to protest the miltiary operations in Iraq. Clearly, the Libertarians believe that people should be under the power of totalitarians and dictators. That is why you borrow from your communist buddies and say "War is Peace" in such a mocking way.

Thanks again for your determined efforts to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Libertarians are really Marxists the means may on the surface appear different but the ends are indistinguishable.

39 posted on 10/31/2003 5:07:30 PM PST by Dr Warmoose
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To: Dr Warmoose
That's funny. I've never thought of myself as a libertarian. I'm more of a capitalist. You probably are not accustomed to that word. You are more on the totalitarian side. Sorry if you didn't get the Orwell reference.
40 posted on 11/01/2003 12:17:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy (Capitalist Tool)
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