Hitler was a Leftist

Hitler was a Leftist ^ | John Ray

[Maelstrom]

Hitler was a leftist in exactly the same way Mrs. Bill Clinton is a leftist.

[chudogg]

In his Germany, the means of production were controlled by capitalists, not the workers

Absolutely wrong. The means of production were controlled by the state, not in the way the Soviet Union did, but the state controlled private coporporations via Third Way Socialism.

Workers controlling the means of production is anarchism, and is not the only attribute of the "Left Wing". When the State controls the means of production Directly (as in the Soviet Union) or indirectly (as in NAZI germany or much of Europe today) that is also left wing.

[chudogg]

do you have a link for that?

[Kleon]

Well, if Hitler was using left-wing Socialist ideas, then I guess Socialism really worked: Unemployment in Nazi Germany January 1933--6 million; January 1934--3.3 million; January 1935--2.9 million; January 1936--2.5 million; January 1937--1.8 million; January 1938--1.0 million; January 1939--302,000. It's true that Capitalists controlled the production in Nazi Germany. I think the confusion comes from the fact that Hitler had a powerful grip on any industry that would help build up the war machine and help Germany become autonomous, not the entire economy.

[Havoc]

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[Maelstrom]

I think the confusion is in the false propaganda that Fascism or Nazi-ism must be right-wing.

He not only controlled vast portions of the economy directly through government regulation, he also controlled the very lives of the people who lived in Germany by dicating to them from a young age the very careers at which they would work when they joined the workforce.

The German economy was strictly controlled in a great many ways.

The German economy was doomed when it adopted the strict controls that made it a socialist country. That doom would take more time than the nation using it survived. It had more capitalism maintained within it than the USSR, about what China has, however, it was as socialist as any socialist nation.

Germany is *less* socialist today than it was under the Nazis. That fact should be inarguable.

[Pagey]

A BUMP for Later Today!

[StriperSniper]

BTTT

[Matchett-PI]

"Hitler was a leftist in exactly the same way Mrs. Bill Clinton is a leftist."

BTTT!!

[Petronski]

Claiming Hitler was a Leftist is as ridiculous as those that claimed in the Late 1980's and '90's that the Politburo were the "Conservatives" and Yeltsin, et al were "Liberals" -- and that, therefore, the Politburo were Rightists. Stalin was Left (i.e. pro-worker anti-capitalist) and Hitler was Right (anti-worker and pro-business). The 25 points mean squat -- actions, not words or papers, are the means to judge.

I'm with you man, but trying to explain this is too often an exercise in futility.

[Maelstrom]

"Claiming Hitler was a Leftist is as ridiculous as..."

I'm with you man, but trying to explain this is too often an exercise in futility.

And wrong by any measure short of religion. Arguably even arguing from the perspective of religion Hitler was still a Leftist, having used religion as a political carrot and goad while pursuing a path for himself more akin to New Age Crystalism or Norse Mythology than Christianity.

[Pharmboy]

For reader's of the NY Times it could have been posted in Breaking News...

[Held_to_Ransom]

Read it and weep:

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/

Woodrow Wilson was a profound admirer of the Bolshevists, and Col House used to brag that he was the guy who gave Mussolini the idea on how to make Italy Fascist.

By the way, don't post links to Col House's book 'Philip Dru - Administrator wherein he outlines a path to the overthrow of the US government and the implementation of a national and socialist system of dictatorship for America.
The organization that currently publishes it is strictly 'verboten' here.

Woodrow himself spent time alone with the book right after his first presidential election, and Woodrow used to boast that he had managed to overthrow the government without House's recipe for a revolutionary war. In the Wilson era, the book was a best seller.

Hitler said the same thing as Wilson did about his coming to power.

[Capitalism2003]

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[facedown]

Buh bye, trollboy.

[Reily]

To all
Read the book 'The Hidden Hitler' !
It discusses in great detail the issue of Hitler's sexuality and the high likelihood that Hitler was a homosexual of the sado-maschoist variety. The book says that there was police evidence that Hitler was a male prostitute back in his Vienna days. Also Hitler made a concerted effort to erase his past, particularly he felt the need to control or eliminate anyone who knew him during his youth.
Another point the book makes is that much of the appeal of Nazism comes from the 'Wandering Youth Movement' of the late 1800s to 1920s. A social youth movement which had homo-erotic tendencies. Many of these people latter migrated to the SA.

[ChessExpert]

In his Germany, the means of production were not controlled outright by the GOVERNMENT, but via extensive and overburdening regulations, the business owners were figureheads.

Government control of the economy is socialism. And this seems to fit the bill. If I were a businessman, I think I’d rather cross FDR, or a President Hillary, than cross Hitler. Hitler doesn't strike me as someone who would respect a Constitution, Bill of Rights, or valid concern for State’s rights. “The government that governs best, governs least.” That’s not a Hitler quote. On a large government - small government continuum, I place Hitler on the far left.

[Maelstrom]

Neither does Mrs. Bill Clinton, nor did FDR.

That quote is neither a quote FDR nor Mrs. Bill Clinton are fond of either.

The Left likes to pretend that burdensome government controls on an economy is entirely unlike socialism.

Worse...the Left proceeds to re-cast the American economic landscape into something closer to that which Mussolini constructed on their path to a more socialist America.

Opposite them all, we remain capitalists.

[oneofmany]

It's funny that where most people learn that Hitler wasn't from the far left is in the colleges and universities.
The home of the far left.