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BUSH HOSTED RAMADAN DINNER AAT WHITE HOUSE (Mired in controversy)
Yahoo ^ | 10/28/2003 | Staff

Posted on 10/29/2003 5:21:37 AM PST by JesseHousman

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To: JustAnAmerican
Use the same pressure on the Republicans in the Senate that he uses on the House and Senate when he wants a bill passed, I.E. Iraq funding. Instead of letting the Dims rewrite the filabuster laws so that it's 9-5 versus 24/7, so that the Republicans can go home instead of doing the work they are "Overpaid" for

I guess the advantage the demos have by just having one person on the floor, while the Pubbies have to 50 in a 24/7 seesion zooms right over your head.

Also I find your lack of criticism of the demos throwing out 200 years of judicial precedent not that surprising.

121 posted on 10/29/2003 7:30:22 AM PST by Dane
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To: Sir Gawain
>> Here ya go:

And what do you see in the faces of the onlookers?

That bitch was an instigator. The video showed her and her company distribute candy to kids and get them to sing and dance. The brats probably had no idea, but you saw it as their joy at your pain..

You were manipulated just like those kids were by this whore. But that's just a sign of innocence though..
122 posted on 10/29/2003 7:31:22 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: a_Turk
Bush is a good man.

Indeed he is. Much better than many people here. What do they want, a series of speeches that condemn Islam as a fraud and a scam?

The goal is to wedge the extremists out of Islam. The fact is, this sort of thing puts extraordinary pressure on the the Islamic leaders that sit with Bush. No doubt they go back to the Islamic Centers and are berated with cries of "Why did you dine with that infidel?" from the more extremist young men in their congregation.

A true Christian doesn't want to eliminate the competition, but to convert through the will of God.

Bush is not naive. He sees the dangers. If the whole of the Islamic world (Turkey excepted) rises up to fight the west, he'll deal with it. But for the time being, his strategy has the best long-term consequences -- for both Islam and non-Muslims.

123 posted on 10/29/2003 7:34:31 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: JesseHousman
Whatever happened to the SEPARATION Of CHURCH AND STATE? Here is a situation where that would rightfully be applied. I don't see him catering to other religions like this ... . Trying to curry favor with people whose religion it is to HATE and KILL you is insane. It is those who are not ground in their religion, or refuse to do this is who hijacked the muslim religion.
124 posted on 10/29/2003 7:36:08 AM PST by nmh
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To: Cultural Jihad
They are both (Islam and Christianity) valid religions instituted by God.

No they are not.

125 posted on 10/29/2003 7:39:21 AM PST by ActionNewsBill
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To: Dane
"I guess the advantage the demos have by just having one person on the floor, while the Pubbies have to 50 in a 24/7 seesion zooms right over your head."

Yes, spoken like a true follower.When the odds are against you, fold.

" Also I find your lack of criticism of the demos throwing out 200 years of judicial precedent not that surprising."

When all else fails, start using the Dim trick of redirection or name calling.Ahh well, so much for logical discussions from you.

126 posted on 10/29/2003 7:44:08 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: a_Turk; FITZ
Taking in the family of your dead enemy is, in my view, an act of compassion, and of respect for your dead enemy. Again, one should keep in mind the time and place.

And, in fact, the Old Testament has repeated exhortations for the Jews to take in the wife of a deceased brother.

Child brides were common-place in antiquity anywhere. They wouldn't consummate the marriage until the girl had her period.

Also true. I believe FITZ was wrong, Aiesha is supposed to have been married at age 9 and it was consummated when she was 12. This, again, was common throughout all of antiquity, although more common for two children to be "wed", in an arrangement, who were approximately the same age.

127 posted on 10/29/2003 7:47:48 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Cultural Jihad
They are both valid religions instituted by God.

If true, I'd say God needs to adjust his bipolar meds.

128 posted on 10/29/2003 7:48:44 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
Please highlight which of those other White House traditions was implemented as direct result of members of those religions attacking and slaughtering innocent Americans?

Please highlight to me where we condem ALL people from a certain group, whether it be from a different religion or from a different country

Should we condemn all people from Japan and Germany because there were evil people from their countries that attacked and killed many americans ?

The former leader of Iraq and some of his followers often threatened and did killed americans .. should be condemn all iraqis?

My point is .. even though there is evil in the world .. it doesn't mean that every one is

I am sure the president realizes the evil that is going on in the world with regard to the Islamic faith .

But I am also sure that he realizes that he can't piss off all members of the Islamic faith by openly condemning all of them because of this war on terror that we are in.

129 posted on 10/29/2003 7:50:44 AM PST by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: Mo1
Very true.
130 posted on 10/29/2003 7:55:21 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: JesseHousman
There is a vast difference between the notions of freedom of religion and embracing a religion. Bush embraces, promotes, and glorifies Islam at every opportunity. A really bizarre thing for a professing Christian to do, president or not. It's certainly possible for a president to celebrate the freedom for others to practice something without personally endorsing it on a daily basis, as Bush does.

MM

131 posted on 10/29/2003 7:56:15 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: JesseHousman
"Our war is not against the Muslim faith."

I'm not especially surprised to see this, but it's always nice to see it confirmed.

132 posted on 10/29/2003 7:59:31 AM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: Semper Paratus
Should have had a Ramadan luncheon instead.

LOL. Although the guests would have probably broken their fast anyway.

133 posted on 10/29/2003 8:02:50 AM PST by Cooter
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To: aristeides
Can we have a list of the attendees?

I've been looking for references -- especially since CAIR was calling for a boycott -- but haven't found a list (surprise!)

From the official WH version: "Guests included ambassadors from African, Middle Eastern, European, Central Asian, and East Asian countries, as well as representatives from several Muslim American organizations."

These are the only specific names mentioned in Bush's remarks: Colin Powell, Spence Abraham (Secty of Energy), Sheikh Hamdan bin Zayed, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of State for Foreign Affairs for the United Arab Emirates, and Imam Faizul Khan, who gave the invocation.

One story that I read mentioned that there were Muslims holding their own Iftaar as a protest outside the White House.

134 posted on 10/29/2003 8:14:56 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Cooter
What's a cooter? Is it like a scooter??
135 posted on 10/29/2003 8:17:43 AM PST by a_Turk (Nothing's good that uses bad...)
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To: Mo1
But I am also sure that he realizes that he can't piss off all members of the Islamic faith by openly condemning all of them because of this war on terror that we are in.

You missed my point. The President did not have any plans to celebrate an Iftar at the White House until after we were attacked by Islamic terrorists.

I do not advocate condemning all of Islam and never have, nor do I advocate commending all of Islam for accomplishments that haven't been proven.

136 posted on 10/29/2003 8:18:57 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: browardchad
Faizul Khan seems to be one imam who has denounced bin Laden and his brand of Islam, early and vehemently: Muslims Debate Diverging Loyalties .
137 posted on 10/29/2003 8:21:09 AM PST by aristeides
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To: nmh
First of all, separation of church and state isn't ANYWHERE in the Constitution. All the Constitution says is that the government shall not endorse any one religion. And the President isn't doing that. He celebrates all major religions, factualized by his Christmas, Easter, Yom Kippur, etc. messages to all Americans.
138 posted on 10/29/2003 8:23:43 AM PST by rintense
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To: MississippiMan
That's bull and you know it.
140 posted on 10/29/2003 8:24:57 AM PST by rintense
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