Feds arrest over 300 Illegal Workers at Wal-Mart Stores Across the Country

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[Bonaparte]

" The whole point of the agreement is that that contract company would undertake this responsibility and receive compensation for those activities."

In general, that's true. The problem arises when the client company knew or should have known that the contractor was in violation of the law, but went ahead anyway. At that point, they become complicit.

[CSM]

"Look, Walmart is no different than TJ MAX. Walmart has an army of attorneys that are suppose to research and investigate their contractors before they ever contract to them."

It is clear that you have very limited experience with regards to large companies and contracts. Let me give you some enlightenment. Every large company has a standard contract format and standard terms and conditions. Upon any payment rendered the terms and conditions (standard) must be met. Within these contracts and T's&C's is the expectation that no laws are broken. The Lawyers write these standard documents, they don't review every transaction. Instead, a buyer or purchasing agent would be responsible for negotiating the details of the deal.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Do you think if walmart blindly hired some off the wall cleaning crews, and one of their employees was known felon with a long record, and ended up robbing a walmart and killing several of their wal mart employees, do you not think Wal Mart would be liable for not knowing who they were contracting too? Gimme a break, WalMart would be liable big time....

[Joe Hadenuf]

Let me ask you this, if walmart hired a fleet of trucks with known safety issues, and one of their trucks killed a family of six on the freeway, do you not think walmart would be liable? LOL!

[CSM]

"Walmart has an army of attorneys, a huge legal department and they don't know who they contract with?"

Read post #122. Please don't try to guess at what I am trying to say. Just read what I say, generally I am not writing in code, if you don't understand what I post then just ask for clarification and I will try to be clear.

[BushisTheMan]

Do you mean Pennsylvania isn't whining that the this is the Fed's job? Do you mean they are trying to clean up their own state without crying for money? Watsup with that? Seriously, this state should be a model for other states....hello, California, Texas and Arizona, are you listening?

[txdoda]

There was also to be a 50-cent raise after six months and full medical benefits after 90 days.>>>>>>>>


Another *benefit* for companies to hire illegals (& many Legals).......many recieving FREE healthcare, thus employers *save* any co.-pays.

[CSM]

The off the wall cleaning company would be liable for such an action and they would be bonded and insured for this. If they take the risk of hiring the risky felon employee, then they take on that responsibility. If Walmart wanted to investigate every employee, then they wouldn't hire a contracting company to do that.

[sixmil]

Walmart was not paying these illegals, Walmart did not hire them. They contracted with an agency to assume those responsibilities.

Yeah right, I did not cheat on my taxes, my accountant did it without my knowledge. Your logic would set free almost any corporate criminal.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Look, you don't seem to have a clue. Walmart is a huge company. They are responsible to know who they are contracting with. Again, if they contracted to a company with a fleet of trucks that had known safety issues, and was known to operate with out proper insurance etc, and one of these trucks was involved in a brutal fatal collison, you can bet your bottom dollar, they are coming after walmart.

A company has a certain degree of responsibility to know who they are contracting with. PERIOD......

[CSM]

"Let me ask you this, if walmart hired a fleet of trucks with known safety issues, and one of their trucks killed a family of six on the freeway, do you not think walmart would be liable? LOL!"

Is the truck that commits murder an SUV?

If Walmart hired a trucking company and that company has a history of safety violations and high risk drivers, then Walmart must have been able to negotiate a price low enough for them to justify that choice. Suppose they are able to pay 25% of the cost to such a company and charge less for their products, therefore increasing their market share. What would be evil about that? Every company, big or small, makes these choices every day. Now you would argue that they knowingly took risk with society, however if the trucking company was able to get insurance, therefore meeting the minimal standard of the contract and operating legally, then the trucking companies insurance rates would be to high and Walmart would not have seen the value in hiring this company.

The expectation is that the trucking company is operating legally, that is what I expect of Walmart!

[Joe Hadenuf]

Huh?

LOL!

[CSM]

"was known to operate with out proper insurance etc,...."

You answered your own question. No contract that has an expectation of an illegal activity is a legal contract. Therefore, Walmart would be breaking the law too!

"A company has a certain degree of responsibility to know who they are contracting with. PERIOD......"

I agree, and to the degree that we should get involved with those expectations is when the law is broken. No company can hold every employee or supplier responsible for all of their activities. The appropriate action for Walmart to take at this time is to fire the contract company and find a new one.

[Joe Hadenuf]

Yeah right, I did not cheat on my taxes, my accountant did it without my knowledge. Your logic would set free almost any corporate criminal.

Hehehe......

[CSM]

A risky contractor should represent a lower cost to Walmart.

A risky contractor pays more in insurance and bonding, driving their costs up.

The cost savings would not be there to justify hiring a risky trucking company.

Do you hate all big business or just Walmart?

[maestro]

A company has a certain degree of responsibility to know who they are contracting with. PERIOD......

The 'INS' has relationships with Federal (? contracted?) Employment?

LOL and crying too!

Watch your '6'..........cause it's getting 'Purple Haze' time soon?

Be Safe!

[CSM]

At what point would we stop holding Walmart legally responsible for their employee's or supplier's actions?

As an individual I will thouroughly review the entire document and sign my name accordingly to the tax return. If fraud is committed, I agree to that fraud. However, by your logic, if my accountant's secretary is an illegal alien, then by signing that return I am responsible for that illegal activity, not the accountant.

[Joe Hadenuf]

LOL.....

[RANGERAIRBORNE]

"You get what you pay for."

I am not trying to be a smart-aleck here, and I am genuinely NOT SURE what the answer is to this problem (or these problems- low-priced foreign goods and low-priced foreign labor).

But, you don't always "get what you pay for"- And too often, I have paid far more than what the product or service was worth, because of protectionist policies (national or local, eg, Union shops).

I don't like to pay an extra $200 for my snow tires to support the local tire store- and neither do most people.

So, while I make fun of WAL-MART, et al for preaching patriotism and then selling Chinese-made goods, I still shop there. As does almost everyone in town.

If you have a solution that would work, I'd love to hear it. And "throw all the foreigners out of the country" is not about to happen.

[Bonaparte]

"That illegal aliens, even in the rare case where they are arrested, are summarily released pending their hearings, just chaps my hide..."

Especially considering that every last one of them is statistically a flight risk. Since when does a court OR a known flight risk? Insufficient detention facilities? Then build them pronto. After that, let the detained illegals work off the cost of their detention with pick and shovel work on state and federal highways. And after they are transported out of the country, put a bounty on them if they are ever caught on our soil again. Dead or alive.