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Rice: War on Terror Is Not War on Islam
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Posted on 10/19/2003 12:53:02 PM PDT by Bobby777
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To: Monty22
Reason #32,237 that no one ever addresses you as "President Monty22."
To: Bobby777
Oh believe me i support war on Fundamentalist Islamists.
To: Bobby777
suuuuuuuuure.... *wink*
To: Cultural Jihad
As long as the koran advocates killing Jews, Christians and other non-muslims and calls dogs, "UNCLEAN"....ALL ISLAM IS MY ENEMY.
As long as the koran calls on its believers to wipe their behinds with their left hand, Islam is my enemy....
As long as the koran calls murderers of non-muslims, "holy" ... islam is my enemy.
THERE ARE THOUSANDS of reasons why islam is my PERSONAL enemy. However, the majority of the reasons are dead Israelis in Israel and Munich or the enslaved or dead Christians in the Sudan.
To: Let's Roll
i've been suspicious of muslims since the munich olympics when the world wimped out of condemning the palestinians. we can't forget 1968 when RFK was murdered by...guess who? a muslim, plane hijackings in the late 60's and 70's? muslims,plane highjackings 80's, 90's, and into the 21st century? muslims, a call to slaughter the infidels? muslims, bringing down the center of finance in the US? the muslims again.
when will it end? probably never. i'm nauseated by the constant drumbeat of "islam is a peaceful religion". it most cetainly isn't.
To: Cyrus the Great
Oh believe me i support war on Fundamentalist Islamists.
that is good to know ... especially in light of their unbroken record of violence ... especially against non-combatants ...
Deadly Works of Islamic Terror
1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated - Islamic Terrorist
1970 (?) 4 airliners hijacked, 3 airliners blownup in the Middle East in single operation - - Islamic Terrorists
1970 Jordanian citizens attacked, murdered (by PLO) - - Islamic Terrorists
1972 Munich massacre of Israelis - Islamic Terrorists
1975 Raid on Entebbe, Uganda - Israeli plane hijacked, Israelis murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1983 Lebanon Marine Barracks attack - 250 murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1985 Rome Airport murders - Islamic Terrorists
1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, murder - Islamic Terrorists
1986 Germany, Disco Bombing, U.S. military personnel murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1993 World Trade Center attacked - Islamic Terrorists
1996 Khobar Towers attack - Islamic Terrorists
1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered - Islamic Terrorists
1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle - Islamic Terrorists
2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2000-2002 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured - Islamic Terrorists
2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2001 Flight 93 murders - Islamic Terrorists
2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed - Islamic Terrorists
2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered - Islamic Terrorist
2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Washington D.C. sniper - Islamic Terrorist
2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant, 200 dead, dozens injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured - Islamic Terrorists
2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured - Islamic Terrorists
August 2003: Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia. 12 dead, dozens injured. - Islamic Terrorists
PLO - Islamic Terrorists
PFLP - Islamic Terrorists
Black September - Islamic Terrorists
Fatah - Islamic Terrorists
Islamic Jihad - Islamic Terrorists
Hizbollah - Islamic Terrorists
Hamas - Islamic Terrorists
Yasser Arafat - Islamic Terrorist
Osama bin Laden - Islamic Terrorist
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:18:43 PM PDT
by
Bobby777
To: SouthernFreebird
I hope, I pray, I believe your assessment is correct ...
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:19:39 PM PDT
by
Bobby777
To: boris
Islam is barbaric.
So is the old testament. There is something for everyone in both of them.
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT
by
SSN558
(Be on the lookout for Black White-Supremacists)
To: Cultural Jihad
Islam actually has a deep, ethical monotheistic component and tradition.
Islamism however, is antithetical to Western civilization, and is going to have to be crushed for the latter to survive.
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:27:56 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: Bobby777
This is not a war on Islam unless Muslims want it to be. Increasingly, though, it seems they do by the consistent refusal to outright condemn terrorism. By 'they', I mean the leadership plus a large chunk (if not a majority) of the masses.
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10/19/2003 1:29:08 PM PDT
by
nosofar
To: SSN558
No other chronicle of a religous people however, is as intensely self-critical as the Tanak of the Jews who yet carry it forward.
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10/19/2003 1:31:47 PM PDT
by
onedoug
To: nosofar
I believe, their "moderates" and indeed others are cowed into silence by the radical element ... some of the history of recent beatings, etc. in certain countries shows this ...
indeed, the griping (few, I hope) element of Iraqis that *preferred* life under a dictator who would randomly kill their citizens and let his son, Uday, freely take from their daughters is amazing ...
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10/19/2003 1:33:29 PM PDT
by
Bobby777
To: Cyrus the Great
Rice is brilliant and she's perfectly right. Yes she is. And I admire her so much that I think the ought to be Bush's running-mate in "04, rather than end up a Foggy Bottom (even though they need someone like her).
Even so, her statement is only a half truth. WE may not be waging a Holy War on Islam, but Islam IS waging one against us, and must be dealt with accordingly.
Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:33:35 PM PDT
by
PsyOp
( Citizenship ought to be reserved for those who carry arms. - Aristotle.)
To: Lion in Winter
Anyone can pull violent Old Testament passages out of context, too, but all it would do is show one to be bigoted. Go visit some leftwing sites for a synopsis on how Christianity is supposedly the great evil, too.
To: boris; Travis McGee; MarMema; Destro
Politicians talk.... and talk. Oh, yeah! Even the politicians that I love...they talk! TALK! Humor the enemy for the sake of peace in the world. Oh, please.
While non-muslims die at the hands of islamics who actually follow their instruction booklet of VERY bad poetry known as the koran. A booklet which tells them TO KILL NON MUSLIMS.
Oh, please.... islam is a danger to CIVILIZED thoughts on freedom of religion. And, come to think of it.... it is a danger to women like Condi Rice who actually believe they should have EQUAL RIGHTS WITH MEN and can wear whatever type of clothing they want to wear.
Hey,Condi... in an islamic "republic" you could be punished SEVERLY for walking around without a rag tied on your head! Or even KILLED for having a relationship or marriage with a man your father does not approve of.
Get real folks.... we all know that.... whether the politicians admit it or not..... islam is a real threat to free people EVERYWHERE on this planet.
islam... a religion OF NO PEACE for non-muslims....everywhere. "Peace" to a muslim means.... only when THEY are in charge.
This does NOT please me one whit!
To: Bobby777
A furor arose after reports were published about the statements by Boykin, in and out of uniform, in churches and elsewhere. Since the reports appeared, Boykin has told his superiors he will curtail his speechmaking.
As a retired army chaplain, let me assure you that a military member is allowed to go to church and that he is allowed to go to church in uniform.
He is not allowed to go to a political rally in uniform.
But his right to religious freedom has never been curtailed, and never should be.
Boynkin is a great warrior and asset for this country. His faith sees islam as a false faith. Now that he's in the public spotlight with 3 stars should he be careful what he says in public?
Probably. But not because he's wrong.
But for mere political considerations. In today's American culture everyone's religion is OK....as long as it isn't sincere Christianity. (For you doubters, that's a proof of the validity of Christianity if you care to think your way through it.)
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:37:18 PM PDT
by
xzins
(Proud to be Army!)
To: Bobby777; Cyrus the Great; chicagolady; Cultural Jihad; boris; Grampa Dave; ALOHA RONNIE; yonif; ...
pretending it doesn't exist works for awhile ... But president Bush is absolutely right. We cannot make this into a Crusade, or we become like them. We must simultaneously recognize the full potential of Islam to be "perverted" as Rice says it is when terrorists use it for their aims, and encourage the moderate side of it, as does Daniel Pipes.
There's famous saying: Trust but verify.
There are a lot of interesting problems this war presents to an advanced society. I'd just like to say that guarding our borders, limiting immigration, and tracking down those who have made threats to us overseas are now more important than ever. And I think we need to make sure that the State Department isn't overconfident again, like it was in Vietnam.
None of this is going to be easy, and before it is over, we will be forced into moral dilemmas the likes of which we had never expected to resolve. We need to figure out how we will respond ahead of time so that we don't make the situation worse with whatever we do. President Bush is obviously paying attention to these problems very carefully.
Will we be able to trust any other candidate next time around? Not that I can tell.
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:37:24 PM PDT
by
risk
(NEVER FORGET)
To: onedoug
Islam actually has a deep, ethical monotheistic component and tradition. Islamism however, is antithetical to Western civilization, and is going to have to be crushed for the latter to survive.I don't disagree with either statement. However, I would add that Islam's problem in this world goes deeper than a lunatic fringe. Millions of non-militant adherents agree with rule by Sharia, theocratic rule. The Islamic states are all deeply incompatible with modernism. As long as that continues, their economies will be so awful compared to Western states that we will see trouble after insurmountable trouble.
To: Lion in Winter
As long as the koran advocates killing Jews, Christians and other non-muslims and calls dogs,.... I suspect many Muslims don't know about this, just as many Christians don't know the Bible that well. The biggest problem is that, to my knowledge, only the Koran makes the injunction to murder explicit. Every other major book has to be twisted a bit get that kind of meaning. Who would you least want to meet in a dark alley?
1. fundamentalist Muslims,
2. fundamentalist Christians, or
3. fundamentalist Buddhists?
Easy call.
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posted on
10/19/2003 1:40:23 PM PDT
by
nosofar
To: Bobby777
Islam is a peaceful religion. If she kept a straight face while saying this, I don't want to play poker with her...
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