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America owes talk host Rush Limbaugh a debt of gratitude, Libertarians say
LP Press Release ^
| October 16, 2003
| Libertarian Party Press
Posted on 10/16/2003 10:48:07 AM PDT by noprob
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To: Ches
He hired the same lawyer you defended William Kennedy Smith.
To: nsmart
I'm glad to see you say that. We now have two expressions of sympathy from LP'er in over 400 posts.
And I do believe you are sincere.
To: CWOJackson
"He hired the same lawyer you defended William Kennedy Smith."I have never defended a Kennedy or any lawyer!!!!!
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posted on
10/16/2003 7:55:20 PM PDT
by
Ches
To: Ches
"...the same lawyer WHO defended William Kennedy Smith."
To: Ches
Not enough Columbian today...coffee that is.
To: CWOJackson
If you run it through the expresso machine it might qualify as a narcotic:-)
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posted on
10/16/2003 7:57:32 PM PDT
by
Ches
To: Ches
Yes, and it drives a couple of the regulars crazy knowing my narcotic of choice is legal. My pusher is Juan Valdez.
Take care and good night. It's been an enlightening day and I'm sure they will be back at it early in the morning. They like to start each day with at least three or four dope threads. They're kind of fun to read after the morning paper and a couple cups of coffee.
To: k2blader
Trafficking of Oxycontin over 28 grams carries a 25 year minimum mandatory prison sentence.
http://www.escambiaso.com/newsreleases/april/april_xxiii.htm A suspect is determined to be "trafficking" in Florida based solely on the weight of drugs in the suspect's possession (more info below). IF the allegations are true, and it can be proved that Rush had a large amount of these drugs, he could be subject to a very long mandatory prison sentence, as others caught with large amounts of these drugs have been.
Weight threshold for drug trafficking Applying a significant drug trafficking decision by the Florida Supreme Court, the 2nd DCAconcluded that trafficking in oxycodone shouldbe determined by the total weight of pillscontaining the drug, not just the weight of theoxycodone itself. In affirming a conviction fortrafficking in illegal drugs, the DCA acknowledged that its decision conflicts directlywith an April ruling by the 5th DCA in Travisvs. State. Both courts were attempting to applythe Supreme Court's 1999 holding in Hayes vs.State, which dealt with how to determinewhether prescription tablets containinghydrocodone as well as a noncontrolled substance met the statutory threshold fortrafficking. The DCA noted that hydrocodone islisted on both Schedule II and Schedule III, butoxycodone is only a Schedule II drug andtherefore should be treated differently. "Variousprescriptions drugs ... containing a mixture ofoxycodone, which is listed only on Schedule II,and a noncontrolled substance (usuallyacetaminophen) are to be measured by theiraggregate weight in determining whether atrafficking amount is present," the DCA said.Assistant Attorney General Tonja R. Vickersrepresented the state on appeal.[Eagle vs. State, 7/7/00]
http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:Too2G8UQknUJ:www.hsmv.state.fl.us/Bulletins/jun-jul.pdf+drug+trafficking+legal+definition+florida+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:01:09 PM PDT
by
ellery
To: noprob
I consider myself to be a "small 'l'" libertarian, a cross between conservative and libertarian... Sort of what could best be described as a "Jefersonain Liberal," at least according to Walter Williams...
But I think that this article is pure trash... First off, I am completely against the "WOD," mostly because I see the excesses of it raping our Constitutional rights... But that's neither here nor there. Calling Rush a hypocrite is wrong. In everyone's rush to judgement (no pun intended), these a$$h0le$ are repeating accusations from the national enquirer and someone who has a top demonrat lawyer defending her.
All we know is that Rush is addicted to perscription pain medication... So was JFK. So was Jerry Lewis. It happens, and it's way different that someone who uses drugs recreationally.
We simply don't know how Rush is connected to the criminal investigation. Did Rush buy drugs illegally? We don't know. We do know that it is possible (and somewhat common) for people to become addicted while taking legal perscriptions, and it's possible that this is the case for Rush, especially given the chronic pain he suffered. It's quite possible that Rush did nothing wrong, or illegal.
Mark
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:11:49 PM PDT
by
MarkL
(KC Chiefs: 6 - 0 !!! It's Raider-Haters week in KC!)
To: CWOJackson
"My pusher is Juan Valdez."Supporting terrorists again hey?
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:11:56 PM PDT
by
Ches
To: LouD
I've just lost any remaining respect I held for the Libertarian Party.Unfortunately, so have I, and I consider myself to be a "small 'l'" libertarian! Mark
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:13:08 PM PDT
by
MarkL
(KC Chiefs: 6 - 0 !!! It's Raider-Haters week in KC!)
To: CWOJackson
Thank you for posting this. In case some folks weren't sure of the LP's priorities. Yes - it is amazing how obsessed with drugs they are. I nearly joined the party - until I actually encountered LP members.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:17:29 PM PDT
by
Hacksaw
(LP members are their own worst advertisement)
To: VRWC_minion
you do realize you are all over the place to support your posistion. This may mean that your posistion is not consistant with the facts, but you might be to bias to see that. My position is that the WOD is a fiasco.
It is economically wrong, socially wrong and morally wrong.
The best way to repeal a bad law is to enforce it ruthlessly.
It is also the fairest way to enforce it.
As long as "The Right People" get multiple chances when they break a law, it will stay on the books, no matter how bad it is, but once you start sending "The Right People" to prison on the first offence, the law is on a short trip to repeal.
So9
To: noprob
Yes, i suppose you think marijuana, and cocaine are worse than Rush's drug of choice..Do you know what your kids call that drug? "Hillbilly heroin"
Did you know it can cause hearing loss?
Drugs are drugs are drugs... Cigarettes and alcohol included..
I guess I'm addicted to drugs too. I take them every day. And I deal with the side effects: Moody-ness, depression, weight gain, fluid retention, osteoporossis. If I were to stop taking my pills every day, I would die. This isn't overstating things. The drug I take is prednisone, and I've been taking it since the mid-1980's.
According to your logic, I'm no different than crack-addicts on the street. Or maybe, since it's related to steroids, then I'm as bad as body builders who "dope up."
"Hillbilly Heroin" is oxycontin that's been crushed, defeating the time release feature of the drug. This is why it's so dangerous. Abusers get a huge rush, a sometimes fatal dose of the drug, which was designed to be released over a 12 hour period. When taken properly, you don't get a "rush" or euphoria from oxycontin. If you've ever listened to Rush, there's no way he could work at the level he does and be "impaired." The reason that I'm familiar with oxycontin (and with hydrocodone) is that I took them both (very rarely... I was more afraid of dealing with the possibility of addiction than of dealing with the pain) to treat the pain from a bad case of shingles. Until I had shingles, I thought I knew what "real" pain was, including having a lumbar disk extrude into my spinal canal, and having a torsion of the testicle. I was wrong!
I'm against the WOD... And that includes things like my prednisone.
Mark
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:25:13 PM PDT
by
MarkL
(KC Chiefs: 6 - 0 !!! It's Raider-Haters week in KC!)
To: Diddle E. Squat
Remember the LP candidate who turned himself smurf blue? Not to mention the one who was a Druid and spit on a host who was interviewing him, and another one who ran off to Canada to defend his principles.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:30:13 PM PDT
by
Hacksaw
(LP members are their own worst advertisement)
To: Luis Gonzalez
It works if you work it. And keep coming back :)
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:43:22 PM PDT
by
Hacksaw
To: CWOJackson
"Any prosecution would hinge of actual evidence though."Not if there is a confession.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:49:35 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
To: CWOJackson
We need to stop splitting hairs about this, and realize that the vehicle of choice is irrelevant.
Addiction is a disease, the substance is inconsequential.
Rush is fighting a battle against a life-long, incurable disease.
Pray for Rush.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:52:27 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
To: Mr. Bird
There is no ongoing war against Schedule II drugs. Fact:
In response to OxyContin's escalating diversion and abuse, DEA has established a comprehensive National Action Plan, which focuses on investigations targeting key diversion points (e.g., forged and fraudulent prescriptions, pharmacy theft, doctor shoppers, and unscrupulous medical professionals) and in-depth investigations of OxyContin's manufacturer and distributors to determine compliance with regulatory requirements designed to prevent diversion. The National Action Plan also includes cooperative efforts among DEA, other government agencies and the medical community, to send the message that OxyContin is a highly abusable and addictive substance. One of the National Action Plan's tenets involved DEA working with the Food and Drug Administration in their efforts to have OxyContin's manufacturer, Purdue Pharma, revise the package insert. As a result, Purdue Pharma added cautionary language on the drug's abuse and diversion potential to the package insert in July of 2001. The medical community has also received additional information on the proper use of OxyContin. In addition, Purdue Pharma, OxyContin's manufacturer, announced recently that it is reformulating the drug to reduce its intravenous abuse potential, but this reformulation will do little to curb the widespread abuse of orally consumed tablets. http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:gvymsM9C3YEJ:www.state.gov/g/inl/rls/rm/2002/9235.htm+oxycontin+arrest+statistics&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 We have not dispatched Special Forces to Wilmington, Delaware to thwart the pharmaceutical manufacturers.
But we have deployed the National Guard in WV:
NATIONAL GUARD ANTI-DRUG EFFORT'S ARRESTS, SEIZURES UP
The West Virginia National Guard Counterdrug Progam has recorded 154 arrests and $5.7 million in seized drugs during the first half of this fiscal year -- numbers that appear to be growing from previous years.
The National Guard was involved in 255 arrests during the entire 2000 fiscal year and 137 arrests during the 1999 fiscal year. The program seized approximately $778,215 worth of illegal drugs over the last fiscal year and $1,003 during the 1999 fiscal year.
Adj. Gen. Allen Tackett said strong anti-drug programs are essential.
"When I look at the statistics of how many young people are involved in drugs today, I know we need good drug demand interdiction," Tackett said. "I don't think we'll ever completely demolish drugs in this state, but we can make it difficult for young people to get them."
The current statistics were fueled by $10 million in federal money that will allow the National Guard to employ 55 full-time soldiers and purchase a support aircraft.
A "significant increase in prescription drug use" has also contributed, said Lt. Col. James Hoyer, deputy coordinator of the 6-year-old program.
Abuse of the prescription painkiller OxyContin has become a serious problem in parts of West Virginia, law enforcement officials have said. Twenty West Virginia deaths last year had ties to oxycodone, the sole ingredient in OxyContin, according to autopsy reports and an investigation by the state medical examiner's office.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:52:42 PM PDT
by
ellery
To: Hacksaw
Yep.
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posted on
10/16/2003 8:52:48 PM PDT
by
Luis Gonzalez
(The Gift Is To See The Trout.)
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