Wesley Clark's tanks used in Waco siege

WorldNetDaily ^ | 10-16-03 | Kelly Patricia O Meara

[lugsoul]

Once again, you run from the questions that undermine your assumed conclusion.

[Darksheare]

Who's running?
You asked, I answered you.
You ignored what was put out there.
Then you insulted me.
And you're doing it again.
How about actually looking at what is there for once?

[lugsoul]

Once again you ignore information that directly contradicts your conclusion.

"The heavy equipment came from the TX ARNG. Not in III Corps chain of command. Whether the Guard executed any formal loan and training agreement who knows. The Guard is a lot more relaxed about such things than the feds. Since the non federalized Guard is at the dispostion of the governor Guardsmen could have operated the vehicles for the FBI but I have never heard that alleged. In the case of providing the APC to the FBI in Utah there was no discussion of whether to do it or not just find one and provide it. As I recall the FBI people got some training on driving the vehicle at Dugway PG where it was and two soldiers accompanied the transport of the vehicle also to provide the FBI with direct support in using the vehicle. The TX guard might well have called Ft Hood through the personal contact network and asked if some experienced instructor NCOs could be TDYed to Waco to support the FBI. As long as all the regulars did was instruct the FBI in how to operate the equipment there is no legal problem. Operating it during the attack would be something else."

[lugsoul]

You answered? Where?

Were all tanks at Hood under Clark? Does the assumption that the tanks came from Hood necessarily mean they were under Clark? You haven't answered that anywhere?

Next, other than unsourced articles, where is the evidence that the tanks came from Hood at all?

[Darksheare]

My unit's equipment could not be loaned out like that without someone at, say, a level equal to Clark's at that time to okay it.
National Guard troops are subordinate to their parent units.
The governor may have the authority to order them to active service for national emergency or state emergency, but Waco was neither.
The 15 active duty personnel from 1st cav operated the equipment.
They had personnel there to cover their butts, to keep an eye on the equipment.
But still, the use of personnel there was illegal.
And Clark most certainly knew about it.
If he did not, then someone needs to go to Levinworth's nice basement rooms.
Since he did know, he's the guy that should sit in Levinworth.

Not likely that will happen.

[Darksheare]

You asked me to provide links for you.
On teh thread I initially encountered you on, I gave you links.
You claimed to have looked for the info, but you did not.
I did a cursory look here on FR, and found info in less than a minute.
Or don't you remember the links I gave you?
Are you suddenly going to pretend I never answered you?

[asformeandformyhouse]

Wesley Clark - The new 'Butcher of Waco'.

[Darksheare]

Nice how you miss that I served in uniform myself.
And that there is no such bird as an M-114APC.
But there is an M-113.

[OldCorps]

thanks for the correction. Wasn't sure when Abrams transitioned to 125 main guns. But man, they are lethal!
You must be a tanker.

Regards,

[lugsoul]

"And that there is no such bird as an M-114APC."

Just as credible as your other posts. Why don't you put your self-touted research skills to work?

http://www.tanks2go.com/USm-114.htm

Of course, you still haven't answered my question.

[lugsoul]

"The 15 active duty personnel from 1st cav operated the equipment."

Post a single source for this statement. Oh, wait, you can't - since it is a blatant lie.

And, before you answer again "I posted links," you know well and good that your links don't say that.

[lugsoul]

None of your links answer the questions in #42. They assume, just like you do. And you know what Mom told you about what happens when you assume...

[lugsoul]

whoops - make that #44.

[armymarinemom]

What was Gen. Shoomaker's assignment at the time. I noticed that his name was used but didn't notice where he was in the chain of command.

[lugsoul]

No such bird? Here's a pic of one for you. At HOOD, no less.

http://www.texashotwheels.com/hood/fh103.JPG

[Darksheare]

Let's try again.
What unit did the troops used belong to?
Try to follow teh thought this time.
Stick with me now.
And if your research skills are so good, then why couldn't you find anything on weasel clark yesterday and I could, yet you find that link today?
Looks like you're being selective with your 'research', lugsoul.
How about being honest for once?

[FreeInWV]

JBT bashing bump.

You guys wanna bite of this?

[Darksheare]

And there you go with your insults and personal attacks again.
Interesting how you refuse to read anything, and then resort to attacks.

[lugsoul]

I don't know what unit the active troops were from. And neither do you. But you state as fact that they were under Clark's command, without a single source.

As far as "research," I can easily find unsourced articles that repeat allegations without evidence, just like you. Unlike you, I know enough not to rely on them.

[GOPJ]

Bump:

Those seeking an investigation of his part in the Waco outrage say that Clark not only played a hidden role in the military-style assault on the Branch Davidians, but easily could have refused to participate in what was a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars use of the U.S. military for civilian law-enforcement activities.