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The second American civil war: what it's about
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| 10/14/03
| Dennis Prager
Posted on 10/13/2003 9:41:44 PM PDT by kattracks
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Comment #101 Removed by Moderator
To: r9etb
I find that most people are still possessed of a fair amount of common sense -- and it tends to become more obvious the more they ignore the media. Well said.
FGS
102
posted on
10/14/2003 12:55:14 PM PDT
by
ForGod'sSake
(ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
To: Javelina
People on FR divorced from reality??? Impossible! (sarcasm) You're trying to make a point of some kind?
FGS
103
posted on
10/14/2003 12:58:03 PM PDT
by
ForGod'sSake
(ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
To: kattracks
The Second American Civil War will be fought over the little patch of lawn between the sidewalk and the street.
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posted on
10/14/2003 12:59:30 PM PDT
by
Liberal Classic
(No better friend, no worse enemy.)
To: kattracks
The second American civil war: what it's about Aw, heck, we're still arguing over what the FIRST one was about! ;^)
To: kattracks
The Right regards America as the last best hope for humanity and believes that there are distinctive American values -- the unique combination of a religious (Judeo-Christian) society, a secular government, personal liberty and capitalism -- worth fighting and dying for."...a secular government..." - hmmmmm. Where did THAT come from. As a conservative, I realize that "separation of church and state" is a totally bogus lie made out of "there shall be no state control of any church", i.e. there will be no state church (e.g., the church of england).
I believe our currently, VERY "secular government" is a big part of the problem and is being very successfully manipulated by liberal social pondscum (LSP) to destroy our great country from within.
I'm in general agreement with the remainder of the article and am looking forward to seeing part II!
Meanwhile, never trust a wahabbi muslim or LSP, both being terrorists, differing only in weaponry and technique.
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posted on
10/14/2003 1:03:50 PM PDT
by
mil-vet
To: wardaddy
Thank you.
To: John H K
This is the classic Jefferson/Adams conflict that's been playing out over the whole of U.S. History. It seems more intransigent than ever, but maybe that's just because we're living through it. What scares me most I think, is the liberalization of the Republican party.
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posted on
10/14/2003 1:05:59 PM PDT
by
johnb838
(sarcasm tags are for wimps)
To: Noumenon
#89 is brilliant. Bravo.
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posted on
10/14/2003 1:08:22 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: wardaddy
What is a "Conservative" who is oblivious to cultural decline?....A gun loving Fiscalist? It's pretty bad when even on FR there are so many rose-colored-glasses wearing Pollyannas.
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posted on
10/14/2003 1:10:27 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: ForGod'sSake
The total split between the perceptions of events experienced in common is a big part of my novel EFAD.
The sheeple will lap up the ABCNNBCBS version of a "Stadium Massacre" or a rigged presidential election.
The aware will find out the truth via the internet and talk radio.
There's the split, right there.
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posted on
10/14/2003 1:15:02 PM PDT
by
Travis McGee
(----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
To: Noumenon
Excellent!!!
To: ForGod'sSake
The left doesn't have the cojones or ability for 'revolution'. Here in SF during the run-up to the war, the liberals thought they could grind down the economy with 'direct action', as in tying up city traffic for weeks on end.
As it turned out, it ended quickly because the rabid revolutionary liberals were just pissing off the more pragmatic reasonable liberals who actually had jobs.
I agree with your take that it's more likely the radicals will over-reach and get smacked down with a major loss of credibility of the Dem party.
I expect they will continue to lose elections and increase the shrillness of their rhetoric in a self-reinforcing process. They will try increasingly absurd tactics until the mainstream begins treating them as the enemies they are.
To: Monti Cello
The left doesn't have the cojones or ability for 'revolution'. Agreed for the most part. BUT, they are pretty good at UBL tactics; hit and run, slink of into the crowds after their dirty deeds. They will resort to their own form of terrroism, uh, HAVE resorted to their own form of terrorism on civil society. Would that Homeland Security saw it the same way.
They will try increasingly absurd tactics until the mainstream begins treating them as the enemies they are.
See above ;^)
FGS
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posted on
10/14/2003 2:04:18 PM PDT
by
ForGod'sSake
(ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
To: wardaddy; ravinson
"On the other side are those on the Right -- conservatives, rightists and libertarians..."
ravinson wrote:
Libertarians are not on the right; we're in the middle of the political spectrum --
wardaddy wrote: I'm late to this thread but just following the first few dozen posts I can already see the division here between the usual Social Moderate/Liberal suspects versus the Culture Warriors.
Seems like Praeger was pretty dead on about the fragmented right.
I see it as a four way fragmentation:
Left socialists = democrats/greenies
Right socialists = Rino communitarians
Conservatives = states rights constitutionalists
U.S. Constitutionalists = libertarians
Thus, -- It is the middle right, [the communitarians & the rightists], who are fragmented.. Neither of these groups can completely support the US Constitution as written..
And that this is a Constitutional 'war' vs socialism is beyond doubt.
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posted on
10/14/2003 2:30:38 PM PDT
by
tpaine
(I'm trying to be 'Mr Nice Guy', but Arnie won, & politics as usual lost. Yo!)
To: budwiesest
"I just hope that when things hit the fan that the side that I chose to affiliate with will have an appreciation for Scruggs-style five-string-banjo." Throw in a good double-pickin' flat top and I'll join your scruggy ban.
To: budwiesest
"I just hope that when things hit the fan that the side that I chose to affiliate with will have an appreciation for Scruggs-style five-string-banjo." Throw in a good double-pickin' flat top and I'll join your scruggy band.
To: ForGod'sSake
Sad to say, book sales are mediocre at best. However, the book is to be reviewed in
Futures magazine, sometime in the next couple of months, and that may help things along. Luckily, the reviewer is well-known in trading circles, appears on CNBC and so forth, and that will likely help too.
Thanks for asking, and for the kind words!
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posted on
10/14/2003 4:14:21 PM PDT
by
SAJ
To: wardaddy
My memories of the 60s and 70s X were that a rather loud minority with the help of a then more centrist media crerated the image that we were torn while out in flyover land, the silent majority was the truth. I won't disagree with that. The New Left was only a small part of the population, and the division didn't run on party lines, in so far as many Democrats were, by today's standards, rather conservative on foreign and social policy. Since then leftist ideas have become more diffused in the population. But "diffused" in both senses of the word: more widespread, but also weaker and more diluted. We don't have that mass of conservative Democrats in the South and in White ethnic communities, but we don't have student radicals bombing and celebrating arson and mayhem. We are more equally divided at the polls, but less bitterly divided in attitudes.
And the liberal or leftist ideas that have been spread are social and cultural ones, while leftist economic programs have largely languished. What it amounts to is a chunk of the middle classes becoming influenced by swingers and leftist academics. But how large a chunk is it? And isn't it offset by academics and swingers becoming "bourgeoisified"? How much of today's political attitudes are simply poses and consumer choices, rather than programs of radical action?
The right wasn't anywhere near as radical as the left, but its ideas have also become "diffused" in both senses of the word. Dole, Bush, and Limbaugh are regarded as being more in the "center" than Goldwater or Wallace, either because conservative views changed or because conservatives moved the center to the right or because issues today don't inspire the kind of venom that they did thirty years ago. The right has become as "bourgeoisified" as the left.
I'm inclined to think that the political system has more or less worked. True, people argue with each other and call each other names, but that was true in the Jeffersonian and Jacksonian periods, the Progressive era and the New Deal, and the country survived. A generation ago conflicts over abortion, homosexuality, drugs and other social issues were something of a departure from the early bread-and-butter political issues (which caused quite bitter divisions at earlier times) and it was natural to think that culture wars might tear the country apart.
But we've been living with such divisions for a generation and the country's still here. It's entirely possible that a future election or court decision will put us at each other's throats again, but for the time being such conflicts are more or less "defused." Maybe I'm wrong, but it looks like when the dust clears we are still one country, some of us a little more of this, others a little more of that, but few of us purely one thing or the other. Politics still matters, but I don't see the apocalypse around the corner.
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posted on
10/14/2003 4:41:15 PM PDT
by
x
To: Javelina
Yet they didn't succeed at trying to secede.
I have read an interesting book on the War, and a good deal of the Civil War regiments/companies in the South were formed YEARS before war broke out. Do we have anything like this today, or is it legal?
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posted on
10/14/2003 4:47:44 PM PDT
by
abishai
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