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American Thinker ^ | April 12, 2016 | Rosslyn Smith

Posted on 04/12/2016 2:25:47 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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What are you going to do when you finally realize Cruz cannot win? He can't. I don't think it's even possible for him to win the nomination, and if he does it won't because he was smarter, or more capable, it will be because the GOPe gave him the resources to take down Trump.

If that happens, he (and many of his supporters) will become the most hated people on the right for a generation. If Cruz does not stop his cooperation with the GOPe he is toast. Now, and in the future when he has to rerun for the Senate. His career will be over, and he will be a useless discard.

Good luck going forward with that on your shoulders.

61 posted on 04/12/2016 11:20:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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To: 21twelve

Actually it was because of Trumps remarks about minorities and such that she said he wasn’t welcomed...they have a city full of various ethnic and otherwise communities who she said Trump does not represent their people. I think it was San Diego.....

California will be a hot ticket for sure....it’s closer then I’d like to see it....but interesting that Cruz is doing very well there.


62 posted on 04/12/2016 11:25:06 PM PDT by caww
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To: Lakeshark; Steelfish

Let me ask you a serious question: If you’re 100% sure that Trump is the one, that he has this all wrapped-up and will beat Hillary like a gong in November, what do you folks care who I support? If Trump is so far ahead that Cruz has no chance in the world, how do my threads and posts bother you? You should be laughing at me, steelfish and the rest of us off as misguided fools who don’t know any better. But that’s not at all what you are doing. I feel like a kid going door-to-door for UNESCO in a neighborhood of Birchers.


63 posted on 04/12/2016 11:27:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: caww

“...who she said Trump does not represent their people.”

Thanks. I guess that is why the Major of Seattle never tried to keep obama from visiting!


64 posted on 04/12/2016 11:30:22 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Lakeshark
....”If Cruz does not stop his cooperation with the GOPe he is toast”....

That's just nonsense talking there....everyone with any grey matter knows the GOP is needed to win, including Trump, or he would have formed his own party. The problem Trump supporters are having is Trump isn't uniting the voters, which is also why Trump's campaign agenda has changed to de-ligetimize the process....he knows he isn't winning over the base Republicans. Like all bad losers when loosing they rip into the rules and rule makers. Especially for Trump because he never takes responsibility for his yuge failures.

65 posted on 04/12/2016 11:33:15 PM PDT by caww
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You should be laughing at me, steelfish and the rest of us off as misguided fools who don’t know any better.

Poor Teddy Bares....

Teddy is a losing LYIN' lawyer and nothing more!

VOTE TRUMP!

VOTE FOR THE WINNER!


66 posted on 04/12/2016 11:33:27 PM PDT by WVKayaker (What separates the winners from the losers is how a person reacts to each new twist of fate -D.Trump)
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Could be....the Trump campaign plays out much like Obama’s did except Obama had a ground game as well which Trump has failed at creating.


67 posted on 04/12/2016 11:34:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Considering so far in this race I think Mississippi was best reception Trump has had don’t blame us

You feel the heat just going out the door into Trumparama

Aren’t you on the coast?

Trump nation there....


68 posted on 04/12/2016 11:36:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (gonna need a lot of rope and lamposts and gibbets after this primary season.....)
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Easy. Concerning this GOP nomination, just do the math.

Kindly show us how Ted wins when he loses any possibility after this next two weeks. Since you can't do that, you know that his only hope is to thwart the process behind closed doors. If that happens, and Trump is one hundred short, do you really think if Cruz is behind by almost four hundred that he has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning? Do you honestly think that can happen? If so, I have this Nigerian bank account for you to consider.

So here's the deal, if you honestly do the math, then you have to understand that the only reason Cruz can prevail is to literally steal the nomination, because he couldn't do it through, you know......vote getting......

If you think that's going to happen, that he's going to get to 1237, or anywhere near that, please send me your banking info for that Nigerian account.

As to beating Hillary, having watched this thing from the beginning, having once been a strong Cruz supporter, Trump is highly likely to be the far superior candidate and have a much better run against her than Cruz. And yes, there are a lot of reasons to believe that.

69 posted on 04/12/2016 11:37:53 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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If Don Trump doesn’t get to 1,237 Cruz will be nominated on the second or third ballot. Write that down.


70 posted on 04/12/2016 11:43:14 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Sorry caww, you're the one misunderstanding the dynamic. Of course every candidate has to eventually unite the whole party. But Cruz has left his principles behind, allowing himself to be used by the very GOP elites that he's claimed to be against for these two years. He's NOT going to unite the party, he's just being used by its current leadership.

As to Trump NOT uniting people, he's got far more capacity to do so than Cruz. The Cruz demographic is small, he won't win a general, it will be a landslide worse than slimy Romney.

If Cruz actually had to run against the media AND his own party elite as Trump has, if he had one tenth of the negative crap thrown at him as Trump, he would be polling around ten per cent.

71 posted on 04/12/2016 11:44:02 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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That's folly Vet, he's being used, and so are you.

Write it down.

Cruz will be the most hated man on the right for a generation if he doesn't stop, as will those who shilled for him.

72 posted on 04/12/2016 11:45:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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You’re NOT doing the math, and I did notice you evaded my main points. You won’t be able to do that much longer.


73 posted on 04/12/2016 11:46:45 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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...”allowing himself to be used by the very GOP elites that he’s claimed to be against”....

A candidate who cannot work with and bring to his or her side the people’s representatives is going to have a hard time with Congress and International leaders.

As for Cruz being “used”....Ok...Who, exactly, is using Cruz? Who’s pulling the strings?...Once past a couple of ballots the only “powers that be” are the delegates.


74 posted on 04/12/2016 11:49:15 PM PDT by caww
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I have read were Cruz saw what obama did with the ground game and modeled his after it. Lots of data, demographics - sounded like pretty nerdy stuff. But it seems to be working where it is needed.


75 posted on 04/12/2016 11:49:26 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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Have you done the math?

Obviously not.

For you math majors, there is a decent chance that Trump makes it on the first ballot. If not he's likely about fifty votes short. For you math majors, Ted Cruz will likely get stuck short of 900, likely even closer to 800.

Now, how does this happen that Cruz will suddenly become the darling of the convention?

If that happens, he will lose more good will than you can imagine. As I say, he will become the most hated man on the right for a generation. He would be blown out at the general, and become a pariah every where.

Y'all need to wake up. If he can't win, but is used only to block Trump, where do you think this is going? Kindly take a big gulp and try to answer that.

76 posted on 04/12/2016 11:56:09 PM PDT by Lakeshark (One time Cruz supporter who now prefers Trump. Yes, there are good reasons.)
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“If that happens, and Trump is one hundred short, do you really think if Cruz is behind by almost four hundred that he has a snowball’s chance in Hell of winning? Do you honestly think that can happen?”

I imagine things were much different back in 1860, but Seward went into the Convention with 74.4% of the delegates needed to win. (233 back then). Lincoln was 43.8% there. But there were bunch of guys with about 20% of the way there. On the second ballot those third-tier guys split there votes to both Seward and Lincoln. On the third ballot Lincoln was within two votes of winning. So three people jumped over to him, and then another 100 or so did too to be on the side of the winner.

Again - past results do not indicate future performance! (Especially as I think the game is played a lot differently now). Plus Seward was much farther behind than what Trump will be at - which I’m guessing will be very close to or above the 50%+1 threshold.


77 posted on 04/13/2016 12:02:41 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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If Trump is so far ahead that Cruz has no chance in the world, how do my threads and posts bother you?

The constant posting of anti-Trump hit pieces, especially from sites which are clearly in the camp of the enemy Left, as opposed to the enemy GOPe, presents a distorted picture of Donald Trump the candidate and man.

Thus, you're acting as a de facto propaganda arm for the unholy alliance of the Left/Media/GOPe/Cruz campaign, because of your loyalty to Ted Cruz.

You fail to understand that Ted Cruz long ago abandoned his principles in exchange for the backing of the GOPe, because his goal of defeating Donald Trump overlapped with theirs.

Ted Cruz has become unrecognizable as a candidate over the last few months. He literally can't string 2 sentences together without hysterically attacking Donald Trump.

For a campaign to flourish, it must eventually be about something other than simply attacking one's opponents. But Ted Cruz has gone in the opposite direction, transforming from someone who talked about ideas into someone who can only talk about the catch-all boogeyman, Donald Trump.

Ted Cruz's attacks on Donald Trump have ranged from disingenuous, to absurd, to hysterical, and, despite Trump's blunt, crass, and sometimes juvenile style, much more has been exposed regarding Cruz's overall character than Trump's, IMHO.

Cruz is becoming less and less likeable, and Trump more likeable, despite his foibles, and despite the relentless and slanted demonization campaign which Cruz has fully embraced and adopted as his own.

Ted Cruz would have had some pretty smooth sailing as an anti-Establishment candidate, had Donald Trump not stolen his thunder by making some of the most contentious, "taboo" issues an early focus of his campaign.

It is Trump who forcefully and fearlessly staked out bold positions on some of these issues, bringing them to the forefront of debate, and Ted Cruz has been unable to reclaim much of that ground.

So at some point, Cruz apparently said to himself "if I can't beat Trump on my own, I'll join with his enemy [the GOPe] and start singing their tune, in hopes that that will be enough to give me momentum towards the nomination".

It's pretty clear that that's not going to happen, and in this day and age of information flow and awareness, it's absurd to think that if the party convention overlooks the delegate leader, that they're suddenly going award the nomination to a second place candidate who clearly has less leadership potential and charisma.

Maybe such things happened in smokey rooms in decades past, but those days are gone.

I honestly don't understand what Cruz could be thinking at this point, practically speaking.

But things will be much clearer to Ted Cruz after Tuesday night, and in the primaries that follow shortly thereafter.

The loyalty of Ted Cruz supporters to their "man" is admirable to a certain degree, but Ted Cruz is no longer the "outsider" he branded himself as, and nobody who is cozy with the GOPe is going to be a successful candidate in this election cycle...

78 posted on 04/13/2016 12:13:17 AM PDT by sargon (No king but Christ!)
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