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Column: Here’s What Teatopia Would Look Like
Valley News ^ | June 21, 2014 | Reihan Salam for Slate

Posted on 06/20/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 06/20/2014 10:37:21 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Reagan didn’t have a particularly snappy response, which is a big part of why he didn’t defeat Ford.

Reagan and Ford balloting went on until after midnight, and the count ended up Ford 1187, Reagan 1070, that was for the party nomination with the GOPe against him, the media against him, and Ford being the sitting President of the United States.

2 posted on 06/20/2014 10:48:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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bttt for tomorrow when I can post some before and after California cities pictures.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 10:50:02 PM PDT by txhurl (2014: Stunned Voters do Stunning Things!)
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I’m guessing the author either wasn’t alive then or was in short pants, at best.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 10:53:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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"almost all states are subject to balanced budget requirements, which are a big part of why state governments have lost ground to the federal government over the years"

He nailed it.

In California occasionally cities get Republican leadership and immediately cut taxes. All this does is shift the tax burden toward the state. That's basically what happened with Prop. 13. Property taxes are normally the main source of income for cities, but with Prop. 13, property taxes essentially moved under state control.

Republicans want to have their cake and eat it too: low taxes at whatever level they control and government services from those levels they don't.

5 posted on 06/20/2014 10:56:38 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Let’s see, all that Liberal Fictional Propaganda to replace four words, “adhere to Constitutional Principles”.


6 posted on 06/20/2014 10:58:22 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Proud Antiobamunist since 2008...)
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It has been on my mind this week about Reagan almost taking out a SITTING GOPe PRESIDENT in a primary, talk about your Cantor like upsets!


7 posted on 06/20/2014 10:59:51 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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Things that could be shifted back to the states:

1. Retirement plans such as Soc Sec
2. Medical plans such as Medicare and Medicaid
3. Welfare plans
4. National Guard turned into 50 state militias
5. Most road/bridge/tunnel building. If we're not going to continue to build out the Interstate Highway system as Eisenhower planned it, and all it is is about expanding lanes and keeping them in repair, then all of this should be kept at the state level
6. Anything related to education
7. Anything related to regulating businesses. If groups of states want to work together to streamline laws to make it easier for corporations to work across their borders, then great, but if they don't want to then so be it.

Probably everything done by the national government except the military, the federal courts, the federal prisons (but we can definitely defederalize a number of crimes and return those prisoners back to the states), NASA, NHS, and other long term research support for the good of the nation.

8 posted on 06/20/2014 11:03:02 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Again, the fundamental idea is to allow states and local governments to let their freak flags fly — to let San Francisco be as left-wing as it wants to be


This is what’s wrong with this idea. We must have federal laws against abortion, homo marriage, etc. Leaving it up to the states should only be an intermediate step, on the way to Constitutional Marriage, Personhood, etc.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:48 PM PDT by balch3
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I think it was better to have a Carter administration and Iranian hostage crisis prior to that, if you get my drift.


10 posted on 06/20/2014 11:06:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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Or a national divorce.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 11:07:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY


12 posted on 06/20/2014 11:07:09 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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“This is all very nice in theory. To get to Teatopia, we’d have to revisit the fact that almost all states are subject to balanced budget requirements, which are a big part of why state governments have lost ground to the federal government over the years, particularly during recessions”

His implication is that the federal government is able to bully the states because they don’t have to worry about balancing the federal budget. But his logic is a bit off, because balancing a states budget has nothing to do with its ability to raise and spend money. My state could have a $10 billion budget next year if it wanted to comit to the taxes to reach that spending level. Thankfully, our governor has worked for the last three years to make sure we operate under a budget that is balanced and affordable.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 11:08:36 PM PDT by Steven Scharf
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And this fulfills the Constitution’s requirement that each state is guaranteed a republican form of government how? Article IV Section 4 does not say “a socialist form of government”.


14 posted on 06/20/2014 11:11:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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We have a teatopia now. Too many people on the government teat.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 11:12:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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I do, but that kind of thing is impossible to know, but I sure like that he took the 1980s.

I felt then and feel now, that I just can’t believe that I actually got to see one of the 2 or 3 greats, in my lifetime.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 11:16:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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Nowhere did I support this guy's essay in toto. I just agreed with two of his points: 1) that the federal government is pretty much the only level of government that can deficit spend is a key (if not THE key) reason why over time power has shifted away from the states and toward the feds, and 2) that we could shift a lot of services currently provided by the feds back to the states.

I'm a firm believer that certain key laws and definitions should be made at the national level. Which persons qualify as citizens, which beings qualify as persons, etc.

I'm also a firm believer that every state should be allowed to experiment, but only within the constraints of the Constitution. Nothing that the essayist wrote seems to violate the constitution. It would be much more leftist than he or any Freeper would like, but it wouldn't be against the Constitution.

Come to think of it, I don't think that socialism is necessarily against the Constitution, definitely in spirit, but not necessarily in word. Large parts of the economy are already nationalized or government run such as dams, the interstate highway system, BLM, National Parks, the military, etc. If the people wanted to nationalize the food growing and distribution systems, where in the Constitution does it say they couldn't get away with it?

I know that libertarians believe that the only truly Constitutional government is a libertarian one, but we seem to have muddled along OK for quite some time without having anything even mildly resembling such a minimal state.

Would a libertarian state in word and deed have been able to stand up to the Confederate Army? Would it have been able to defeat Hitler and Hirohito?

17 posted on 06/20/2014 11:26:52 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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Crony capitalists seeking handouts and favors would be forced to decamp from D.C. to state capitals around the country, and in particular to the states that decide to maintain and expand corporate subsidies, targeted tax breaks and other giveaways.

Nice article. I have to say I don't see a lot of downsides. One of the many problems with the current gigantic federal government is that there's no escape from the looting. If social spending became a state matter, there are two major constraints on out of control spending: 1) Balanced budget requirements and 2) the ability of taxpayers to vote with their feet.

18 posted on 06/20/2014 11:30:22 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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Would a libertarian state in word and deed have been able to stand up to the Confederate Army? Would it have been able to defeat Hitler and Hirohito?

That argument seems a bit straw-man-ish. The article isn't talking about a Libertarian Party government, but a Tea Party government. And the Tea Party's primary focus is restoring Constitutional governance. National defense is in the Constitution. Social programs are not.

19 posted on 06/20/2014 11:39:57 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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Teatopia sounds just fine to me. Where can I apply for citizenship?


20 posted on 06/21/2014 2:40:30 AM PDT by DemforBush (A repo man is always intense.)
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