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Straight Talk: Paul Has a Point
FOXNews.com ^ | 5/21/2007 | Radley Balko

Posted on 05/21/2007 1:53:00 PM PDT by The_Eaglet

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To: Calpernia

He should have said, go read my thesis on this and you’ll get an answer rather than a canned 30 sec. soundbite like my colleagues here on stage.


121 posted on 05/22/2007 7:26:02 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: StarCMC; cva66snipe; George W. Bush; Jeremydmccann
Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257

How about honoring veterans like Congressman Ron Paul?

122 posted on 05/22/2007 7:28:45 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: tioga

McCain went off track with the “Bipartisan Campaign Finance Reform Act” which attempted to suppress the freedom of speech.


123 posted on 05/22/2007 7:30:13 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: af_vet_rr

>>Sorry ... it was the United States that helped the Afghans defeat their would-be Soviet conquerers.

“If you studied their history, that means nothing to them. The US was simply a tool they used against the Soviets. We didn’t endear ourselves to them because we gave them weapons or training.”

Actually, most muj Afghans had no idea we were helping them and would refuse to believe that. All money and arms came from Pakistan, our proxy. The funds were match by Saudi Arabia. The credit for defeating the soviets... went to Allah.


124 posted on 05/22/2007 7:31:52 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: TheKidster

I like to just let them shout. :)


125 posted on 05/22/2007 7:34:25 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: The_Eaglet

OH, I remember THAT and mcCain’s part.........and I am watching a repeat of his arrogance in attempting to push through this latest bill...........


126 posted on 05/22/2007 7:48:52 AM PDT by tioga
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To: The_Eaglet

I suppose you’d like to honor Murtha as well? What’s your point? And bugger for you pinging in your crew. LOL


127 posted on 05/22/2007 7:51:19 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Ditter

LOL! Thanks — I have a bit of experience with clowns.


128 posted on 05/22/2007 7:52:03 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: TheKidster
He should have said, go read my thesis on this

I wish he would have done that and people would actually do it...but expecting Americans to read....that is asking a lot. Lobbing bombshells gets the attention these days.
129 posted on 05/22/2007 7:54:37 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: cowbot

That you again, sugarpie?


130 posted on 05/22/2007 7:55:36 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Ohioan

Good to see you aboard. I didn’t post here for almost a year. I’ve come back and see that things aren’t much better. While I do appreciate reading your comments, I have to wonder... why do you bother?

Keep sending me e-mails with updated essays, I enjoy them!


132 posted on 05/22/2007 7:59:28 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: cowbot
If all you respect is force, you want to solve everything by force.

The kicker here is that the Islamists understand and respect force. America can certainly deliver the full spectrum from war to peace...but it all depends on who we are dealing with.
133 posted on 05/22/2007 8:05:51 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Gondring
He didn't use helpless women and children to do so. So if the planes had no passengers, it would have been more courageous?

Yes, it would have been, and if they had not attacked helpless civilians.

I think that's a red herring. Running into a burning building to save someone is just as courageous whether the person inside is a woman, child, or man. You're confusing courage with heroism, perhaps?

Who was running into something to save someone.

These people were murdering people.

You seem to have a hard time grasping concepts.

Who was more courageous...Clinton, lobbing cruise missiles, or our men and women who are going over to Iraq, facing death? I'd say the latter. Courage involves taking action even in the face of risk or certain death. The hijackers displayed this; our troops are displaying this; Clinton didn't.

The hijackers displayed no courage.

There's was an act of desperation since they are unable to hit us with cruise missiles.

If they had them they would have used them.

There is nothing either heroic or courageous in attacking civilians who are nowhere near a military target.

They are as 'courageous' as the murderer at Virigina Tech.

Care to make a case for him as well?

134 posted on 05/22/2007 8:11:28 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: P-40
So what relevancy does their history have with why they were attacked by Islamic terrorists.

Because they, like us, have some thing(s) they have done or some country they support that also attracts the attention of the terrorists. Does that mean they, or we, should change policy? No. It just means that we need to understand cause and effect. That is about all Paul said.

So that was what you were trying to say, that those Nations also brought the attacks on themselves by getting those 'poor' Muslims angry.

There is no 'cause and effect', we are hated because we are a threat and obstacle to the radical Muslim dream of world conquest, no different then with Nazism and Communism.

And there are many Verses of the Qur'an besides this verse (that threaten the Muslim nation if they give up Jihad) And you will not find any organization past or present, religious or non-religious as regards (Jihad and military) (ordering) the whole nation to march forth and moblilize all of them into active military service as a single row for Jihad in Allah's Cause so as to make superior the Word of Allah (i.e. none has a right to be worshipped but Allah), but as you will find in the Islamic Religion and its teachings (The Interpretations of the Noble Qur'an in the English language, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, 1996, pg.1236)

135 posted on 05/22/2007 8:44:45 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Red Phillips
You are correct. I see nothing in the Constitution about protecting our allies. Surely we are allowed to protect our interests, but how do you define interests? For example, keeping oil shipping lanes free would be our interests. Kicking Saddam out of Kuwait was not.

And if Saddam was a threatening to Saudi Arabia by moving into Kuwait, then it was indeed a threat to our vital interests.

But those are judgement calls.

The fact is that we have a right to make those judgement calls if it effects our national security.

136 posted on 05/22/2007 8:49:41 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
There is no 'cause and effect'

There is always cause and effect. And no, I did not say those nations brought it upon themselves.
137 posted on 05/22/2007 8:50:28 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
Does that mean they, or we, should change policy? No. It just means that we need to understand cause and effect. That is about all Paul said.

That is not 'all' he said, since he would change our foreign policy to a less confrontational one with the Muslims.

138 posted on 05/22/2007 8:59:37 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration

Maybe he would, maybe he wouldn’t. He tends to be more isolationist from what I gather. Then again, whatever we did on the foreign policy front, we would take a hard look at just what we hoped to accomplish and if it was worth the cost.


139 posted on 05/22/2007 9:02:09 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: P-40
There is no 'cause and effect' There is always cause and effect. And no, I did not say those nations brought it upon themselves.

Yes, there is always 'cause and effect' but the cause and effect with the Muslims is showing weakness as Clinton did.

It was not our bombing them that emboldened them to wage Jihad against us.

As for the Nations I listed, then what was the 'cause and effect' that led the terrorists to hit them as well.

The got the effect they wanted, they put Spain out of the WOT.

140 posted on 05/22/2007 9:03:11 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! -Abe Lincoln)
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