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Farewell to Donna (Rudolph Giuliani 2002)
Wayne Barrett

Posted on 01/29/2007 11:34:29 AM PST by jla

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To: wideawake

Do you honestly consider rudy a conservative, or someone who values all of the bill of rights?

Or is he just the expediently popular choice of the moment?


21 posted on 01/29/2007 12:28:05 PM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be plucking feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: wideawake
Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan were men of great ambition who enjoyed the power they wielded.

Let's not pretend.

~jla stops reading~

Perhaps you're not so wide awake as you let on to be.

22 posted on 01/29/2007 12:28:25 PM PST by jla
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To: flashbunny

You should probably read my posts before you ask me silly questions.


23 posted on 01/29/2007 12:28:46 PM PST by wideawake
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To: jla
Thomas Jefferson and Ronald Reagan wept

We'll all be weeping when Hillary wins in '08 (no little thanks to you guys).

24 posted on 01/29/2007 12:33:28 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: jla
Nice article from the Village Voice.

What's the matter, couldn't find any good material in this month's Mother Jones?

25 posted on 01/29/2007 12:34:29 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: wideawake

well you did call rudy the gun grabber an american patriot.

Last time I checked, the patriots who founded this country had a thing against goverment gun grabbing.

The defintion might have changed in the past couple hundred years without anyone telling me though.


26 posted on 01/29/2007 12:35:36 PM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be plucking feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: cicero's_son

Can't refute the article, can you? :^)


27 posted on 01/29/2007 12:39:55 PM PST by jla
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To: wideawake
I don't really care if the Village Voice hates him

You should.

The reasons the Voice, the NYCLU, Sharpton, Maddox, and all the commies, race hustlers, and misfits hate Rudy all reflect great credit on him - and the fact that he KICKED THEIR COLLECTIVE ASSES for eight years while saving the city in his spare time tells you what kind of a politician he is.

28 posted on 01/29/2007 12:42:52 PM PST by Jim Noble
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To: jla
~jla stops reading~

Because if he continued reading he would find valid points to refute his argument.

jla loves the Village Voice, which has regularly denounced Ronald Reagan as a greedy racist idiot - but jla thinks it's OK to quote people who slander Reagan, as long as they also slander Giuliani.

jla knows that he cannot argue that Reagan was an ambitious man - as all great Americans are. jla also knows that he cannot argue that Reagan didn't enjoy being President - because Reagan obviously enjoyed being President and that joy was evident in his face when he addressed the nation.

29 posted on 01/29/2007 12:45:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: flashbunny
well you did call rudy the gun grabber an american patriot.

He is. Patriots can be wrong about things, too.

Giuliani foolishly believes that broad firearm ownership is detrimental to public safety - his stupid campaign to stringently regulate firearm ownership is therefore motivated out of a misguided concern for public safety - not out of hatred for America.

His dunderheadedness on this is yet another reason in a long list of reasons why he should not be President: he is wrong again and again on a wide variety of important policy issues.

30 posted on 01/29/2007 12:50:43 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
You know nothing about Reagan, that is glaringly obvious to me.
Go ahead and support Giuliani. I will take the utmost pleasure in being one of the millions who will turn him back in the primaries.
31 posted on 01/29/2007 12:52:34 PM PST by jla
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To: jla
I know more about the Great Communicator and his vision than you could ever dream of knowing.

Go ahead and support Giuliani.

I do not support Giuliani for President and never will.

But please keep lying about me - your allergy to facts becomes more apparent with each of your posts.

32 posted on 01/29/2007 1:02:07 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I know more about the Great Communicator and his vision than you could ever dream of knowing.

If this were true then you wouldn't assert that RR coveted power, especially that of a POTUS. He was the polar opposite, in word, and especially, in action.

33 posted on 01/29/2007 1:23:37 PM PST by jla
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To: flashbunny

"Gun grabbing" is a misnomer.


34 posted on 01/29/2007 1:35:15 PM PST by My2Cents ("I support the right-ward most candidate who has a legitimate chance to win." -- W.F. Buckley)
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To: jla
I never said he "coveted" power.

He had a clear vision of what America needed, and he wanted to become President to implement that vision.

So he actively pursued the Presidency of his own volition and against the wishes of the almost-entirely-Rockefellerized GOP of the mid-70s and triumphed.

He was ambitious and principled - not covetous and sneaky.

And he certainly enjoyed his Presidential authority - it enabled him to put policies that he believed were absolutely necessary for America's survival into action. He clearly relished standing up to Congress and fighting the good fight.

He never gave the impression that he was some unwilling mope dragooned into service - he was happy to be doing his job and he did it with zest.

35 posted on 01/29/2007 1:36:16 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I never said he "coveted" power.

Don't mince words with me. You very well, and unambiguously, implied that Reagan, and Jefferson, relished the power and prestige that came with being POTUS. Admittedly more in the latter's day and age.

36 posted on 01/29/2007 1:40:08 PM PST by jla
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To: jla
Don't put words in my mouth.

Reagan wanted to be President. When he became President, he was happy he became President, he enjoyed his job and happily stood for reelection. Jefferson also wanted to be President, was delighted that he became President and happily stood for reelection.

They both proactively used their executive power and both declared their satisfaction with the results.

Neither of them ever claimed that the presidency was forced upon them and that they only served under duress.

What this has to do with covetousness is beyond me.

37 posted on 01/29/2007 1:47:43 PM PST by wideawake
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To: jla

Speaking of Bill Bratton, Rudy is out in Cali meeting with him today. Their relationship is questionable and Rudy needs to make sure Bratton keeps his mouth shut during the campaign. Bratton could spill a lot of dirt on Sir Rudy.


38 posted on 03/09/2007 12:35:33 PM PST by DickieFlatts
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To: jla

So basically, the Village voice seems to really hate Rudy...

I think I'll stick to opposing him on the issues.


39 posted on 03/10/2007 11:23:37 AM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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