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Email | 06/25/02 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/25/2002 3:42:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Cultural Jihad
I only offered you the Democratic Party's solution to your whining problem since obviously you choose to not utilize the libertarian principle of voting with your feet.

Yet another socialist proposition disguised as a "libertarian" solution. "If you don't like getting the shaft, leave."

881 posted on 06/25/2002 11:56:01 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
I'm trying to get a job there. I'll let you know how it turns out. But in the meantime, I happen to know they have a once a year sale around the end of the summer.

It's kind of an in house deal, the axes don't have any defects on the sound side but they have cosmetic defects.

You could probably let go some of the outboard gear and maybe sell some of the vintage stuff for a profit. But be forewarned, the PRS guitars are thick on the neck and you'll still have to outfit it with pickups. I suggest Joe Barden rails. He's local and the service is right on.

882 posted on 06/26/2002 12:06:59 AM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Demidog
Ah, but if you must, then there is no censorship here at all. When you applied for posting privileges at this forum, you agreed to certain terms and conditions. And among these terms and conditions, you agreed to remain within the general topics and guidelines I established for this forum and you agreed not to post the materials that I do not want here. You agreed that if you did post material that I deem inappropriate for this forum (in my sole judgement) then they would be subject to removal and the poster subject to having his posting privileges revoked. That, my friend, is not censorship. It is simply an enforcement of the terms and conditions of our agreement.

883 posted on 06/26/2002 12:07:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: The Documentary Lady
If I applied the rules as you suggest, you would've been gone a long long time ago. I've been cutting you a whole lot of slack.
884 posted on 06/26/2002 12:09:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Demidog
What was false about it? If you are trying to argue that those people didn't spend all their time bitching about FR on their site, you either never went there, have amnesia or are a liar. I remember you and I put you in the same category and those people. I am amazed that you are still even here.

I have the same screen name that I have always had. The "_fr" is still on my Yahoo name.

885 posted on 06/26/2002 12:09:53 AM PDT by Floratina
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To: The Documentary Lady
Wow, have you ever missed the point. Explain to me what you think the subject email message is all about.
886 posted on 06/26/2002 12:13:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Demidog
I should have bought a PRS years ago when they were only $1500-1800...JFK
889 posted on 06/26/2002 12:23:39 AM PDT by BADROTOFINGER
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To: Jim Robinson
When you applied for posting privileges at this forum, you agreed to certain terms and conditions. And among these terms and conditions, you agreed to remain within the general topics and guidelines I established for this forum and you agreed not to post the materials that I do not want here.

Unfortunately, the "materials that I do not want here" have never been stated with any reasonable certainty. It is virtually impossible for anyone to know what specifically is to be thought improper. During the Clinton Presidency for instance, it was totally kosher to post articles by Christopher Hitchens and other left-wingers for two specific reasons. Hitchens hated Clinton which then made him a "respectable" source. Other left-leaning sources were fine as well since the sole intent at FR was to dissect the articles and rebut them.

Now what you appear to be asserting is that left-wing articles cannot be posted. I have to assume then that you have no confidence in your membership being able to rebut the facts presented in those articles since you refuse to let them be posted.

That, my friend, is not censorship.

No, as stated, it is a contract. However, the banning of posters who offer up particular viewpoints that contradict a large group of posters here, is in fact censorship.

Furthermore, it is a contract that has no binding authority on you. In practice, there is no objective measure for what constitutes improper sources or opinions. There is no recourse for the ousted poster if you happen to make a mistake. For the sake of argument I'll imagine that you are perfect and incapable of making mistakes. Even with that as a given, you haven't bothered to offer any recourse for the fellow wrongly accused.

And I believe that Black Jade was one of those posters who was totally and utterly shafted by not only being banned but all references to his/her posts eliminated. THAT is in FACT censorship.

BlackJade was instrumental in delivering media investigative reports showing the CIA's funding and support of terrorists world wide. These were not just lefty articles. They were from some very respected journalists including Gertz who was one of FR's favorites at one point.

What are you afraid of?

890 posted on 06/26/2002 12:27:48 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: The Documentary Lady
I do not believe their intent was solely to bash. There's quite a bit more to it.
891 posted on 06/26/2002 12:28:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Floratina
If you are trying to argue that those people didn't spend all their time bitching about FR on their site, you either never went there, have amnesia or are a liar.

I was there. You have a faulty memory. There wasn't a majority of the articles or posts that were in any way relating to FR or bitching about it.

There were definately posts which voiced frustration. Alot of the flame wars were in fact instigated by Mojo and Navigator who dragged posts from there to here in order to further fan the flames.

But there was not a majority of posts bashing FR. You will find that almost all of those posts still exist and some of them were by those of us banned rejecting any continued focus on FR. That's not what we were there for.

893 posted on 06/26/2002 12:34:02 AM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
I do not need to define the materials any finer than I already have. I gave general guidelines and I expect people to stay within the bounds. And I use my sole judgment to determine if the bounds have been violated. Those are the terms. You agreed to them. If you want some other set of terms, then I suggest you start your own website and establish any terms you wish, because I guarantee you will not be dictating terms here to me. I do not want Free Republic filled with a bunch of tin foil hat crap. The reason is, I do not want the class of posters that stuff attracts.
894 posted on 06/26/2002 12:38:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson; All
I don't know what has been going on on other threads, but I have been on the David Westerfield trial threads and I know what we have done there.

We had some problems but they have been cleared up, I believe.

Here is how it works.

Set the example. If you don't want flame wars, try not to flame others. Follow the guide lines of NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. Making personal attacks is a sign of immaturity and lack of debating skills.

Everyone makes mistakes. If you do, APOLOGIZE. You would be amazed at how your enemies become your friends.

Be willing to forgive other's mistakes. FUNNY thing about forgiveness.

To forgive is to set the prisoner FREE, and then find the prisoner was really YOU.

Take time to read what is going on on a thread before jumping into the middle of something. It is too easy to take what someone said wrong, if you don't understand the context or follow the conversation first a little.

Sometimes it is good to lurk, especially if you get overheated. Sit back and watch a while. Called a TIMEOUT. It helps you get your perspective back.

If we all take RESPONSIBILITY for OUR OWN behavior on FREE REPUBLIC, we don't have to worry about Jim or Admin Mons having to step in to do so, and getting blamed for HOW they do it.

895 posted on 06/26/2002 12:38:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: The Documentary Lady
You're missing it again. I wasn't talking about Bush.
896 posted on 06/26/2002 12:42:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: The Documentary Lady
Look, don't bother. This entire discussion is a total waste of my time. I've got better things to do. You and Demidog may carry on with your petty bickering and nit picking.
897 posted on 06/26/2002 12:46:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Demidog
The users here pay for everything...It doesn't just belong to Jim anymore, it belongs to everyone who donates their hard-earned money to keep it afloat.

What a envy-ridden socialist you've exposed yourself to be.

898 posted on 06/26/2002 12:50:37 AM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Jim Robinson
WOW, you all are really having some kind of fun over here.

Maybe you should try this. Tell them they can only play in the ADULT POOL if they behave and show respect for THE RULES. IF not, they can go out and play in the sand with the little kids.

It is not as subtle, but just as true.

Remember, never argue with an idiot. Nobody will be able to tell the difference by the time you are finished.

Hope your sense of humor hasn't completely been worn away.

899 posted on 06/26/2002 12:53:49 AM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Jim Robinson
I do not need to define the materials any finer than I already have. I gave general guidelines and I expect people to stay within the bounds.

I am aware that you believe that your guidelines are quite sufficient. I am telling you that they aren't as clear as you perceive and that there are quite a few complaints (as evidenced by the email that you posted along with several disgruntled ex-Freepers) and have been for a while. It is your prerogative to ignore any and all criticism and discount it entirely.

And I use my sole judgment to determine if the bounds have been violated. Those are the terms.

I fully understand. However, this is the classic definition of censorship and I'm surprised you want to call it something other than what it is given your commendable comfort in telling it like it is when it comes to who runs the show here.

You agreed to them.

Yup. I still think that there are others who were mislead by the rules which are not nearly as specific as you claim and are no longer consistently included in the reply page.

They used to be "All conservative views welcome" under the conditions that you use "no profanity, no racist posts, no personal attacks." That's from memory so forgive any ommissions. All other "rules" were gleaned from your infrequent posts letting everyone know what was and was not acceptable at any given point.

If somebody hadn't posted since before the election, today they might get themselves in trouble if they echoed the sentiments that you posted about Dubya being a cokehead felon who shouldn't be allowed near the post of dog-catcher much less President. I assume that you'd ban yourself today if you caught yourself saying such a thing.

I guarantee you will not be dictating terms here to me. I do not want Free Republic filled with a bunch of tin foil hat crap. The reason is, I do not want the class of posters that stuff attracts.

I'm not attempting to dictate anything to you at all. I'm simply pointing out that you don't pay the bills anymore without the good people that post here including the tinfoilers who were paramount to this site's success during Clinton's tenure. Ignore their valid criticism at your own peril.

900 posted on 06/26/2002 12:54:13 AM PDT by Demidog
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