Posted on 06/25/2002 3:42:21 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
I suspect the thread was't pulled for the article but rather the comments. No way we'll know, will we? A shame the SF forum is out of business, they used to archive threads like that.
BTW, I'd suggest to you that the article is not defending Billy Graham, but rather *hitting on his sincere apology, and by extension his sincerity and beliefs.
assuming of course he didn't post it from vanguardnews or a similar source.
By the way, I've been here since the first week this forum opened and I've never seen anything prohibiting Sam Francis articles. Is there some secret moderator code speak the rest of should know? And by the way, if Sam Francis articles are prohibited, then why on earth did that thread stay up so long and get so many replies. 3 months is a long time for a banned author don't ya think. Better get your talking points down.
Is that true? I though you could if you use the Arab sites instead of the hate sites.
proof please.
As far as I know, Sam Francis has been banned for a while. You don't need a gypsy to tell you why if you read the tripe above. The fact that one stayed on is not indicative of a conspiracy.
Wow, Vinny, and yet the ultimate decision was not up to anyone of us. It was up to Jim Rob and the Admin Moderator, wasn't it? But oh, that's right--Appy Pappy is an Admin Moderator. Where's your proof of your newest j'accuse?
Then why did he apologize?
That's OK. I don't see myself posting one soon.
Because the ADL blackmailed him. Don't you pay attention on these threads. I see you there.</sarcasm
To: Catspaw
Are you stupid or what. The thread is gone as of this morning. I can't recite what he said after just reading it one time.
To: Catspaw
Not so bright. I read the thread one time. In it you told my brother he was going to get banned for posting such filth. Filth?? And he didn't get banned for posting that thread. He got banned because he posted an article written by Raimondo.
the thread is gone Phats. It's down the toilet.
1049 posted on 6/26/02 3:11 PM Central by VinnyTex
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Yep, after reading the thread you were one of the idiots screaming it had to be censored.
1033 posted on 6/26/02 2:48 PM Central by VinnyTex
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sure fats. I read the original thread my brother posted defending the Great Billy Graham and you and the catwoman were right there lobbying for my brothers removal.
Because he knew he was wrong?
I do not plan on html this code, only to add by distrust for the moditors you have set up who have their own bias outside of your objectives.
Here is a thread from 3.1.02 which was ignored.
have a good day
Chicagofarmer eeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum" [ Threads | Comments | Self-Search | Search | Topics / Post | Settings | Help! ] Click to scroll to commentary. TOPICS Culture/Society Editorial Front Page News KEYWORDS not yet implemented Israel says U.S. gun-control groups should be considered terrorist allies. Worldnet Daily News | 3.1.2002 | Jon E. Dougherty Posted on 3/1/02 11:11 PM Central by CHICAGOFARMER Gun control aids terrorism ----------------------------------------------------------- Posted: March 1, 2002 1:00 a.m. Eastern © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com An incident last week in Israel makes the case as to how U.S. gun-control groups could be considered terrorist allies. According to a Feb. 22 story published in The Jerusalem Post, a Palestinian terrorist was attempting to set off an explosive device in yet another crowded Israeli market, when an "alert shopper" recognized what he was doing and "shot him dead." "A police source told Israel Radio the terrorist apparently intended to detonate a small bomb in the supermarket and then blow himself up with the explosive belt when police forces came to the scene," the paper said – a "tragedy" that "was averted when a woman shopping in the packed supermarket apparently saw the terrorist trying to set off a second explosion and shot him twice in the head from close range." It's good that in Israel – a country that is no stranger to terrorism – someone besides the government is responsible for the security and safety of citizens. Oh, to be as trusted with that responsibility here at home. It's an equally good thing that the lives of those Israeli shoppers weren't in the hands of a woman like Sarah Brady, head of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. If they had been, there's no telling how many more Israeli shoppers would be dead today. That's because her group, along with dozens of other gun-control organizations, would rather Americans be killed by terrorists instead of being able to protect ourselves, our families and our communities. They would rather see terrorism snuff out freedom and liberty than have Americans use freedom and liberty to snuff out terrorism. In fact, supporting any policy that leaves Americans less secure – especially in this time of war – is akin to providing aid and comfort to the enemy. Policies that encourage disarmament invite attack. Such policies play into the hands of our terrorist enemies. Our enemies know this. They would love nothing more than to ensure their next American targets remain unarmed. So why are gun-control groups advocating disarmament too? Whose side are they on? Personally, I'm tired of being told by the pious victimologists who run these groups that I'm not "qualified" to carry a firearm – even into a school to pick up my children or into a courthouse to do county business – though I am and have been for several years. I'm also tired of being told by "officialdom" that I must "qualify" for the Second Amendment to claim and utilize its guarantees, though it is the only constitutional right that must meet this stringent, narrow standard. I'm tired of being told by Marxist control freaks that I am a model citizen only if I allow myself to be victimized by some lunatic Muslim extremist who hates me because of my religion and/or nationality. I'm tired of being told by hypocrite lawmakers – who have personal security I help provide via my tax dollars – that they are worthy of enhanced protection, but that I and my family are not. As long as anti-gun groups, working in cooperation with the little Napoleons on Capitol Hill and in statehouses across the land, continue to favor laws that restrict the right of Americans to carry a weapon anywhere and everywhere, terrorists will be aided and abetted. No one knows where the next terrorist strike will occur or what form it will take. Therefore Congress and the president could boost national security immensely just by dismantling goofy gun-control laws that do nothing but aid our enemies. A free people demand no less than the ability to help protect themselves and their country. A better-armed populace would do much to accomplish that goal. Meanwhile, if gun controllers want to continue their quest to be terrorist fodder, fine. That's their right. Lucky for them, they aren't asked to "qualify" for the right to be foolishly unprotected. ------------------------------------------------------------ Jon E. Dougherty is a staff reporter and columnist for WorldNetDaily, and author of the special report, "Election 2000: How the Military Vote Was Suppressed." Spread the word guys and gals by reposting. 1 posted on 3/1/02 11:11 PM Central by CHICAGOFARMER ] To: bang_list bang_list 2 posted on 3/1/02 11:13 PM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER Viva La Israel 3 posted on 3/1/02 11:15 PM Central by dingram To: CHICAGOFARMER And people wonder why I support Israel. 4 posted on 3/1/02 11:18 PM Central by DoughtyOne To: CHICAGOFARMER bookmarked thanks,i will print it later,will make flyers! ha. 5 posted on 3/1/02 11:18 PM Central by green team 1999 To: CHICAGOFARMER EXCELLENT article, thank you, bookmarked and BUMPED!!! 6 posted on 3/1/02 11:20 PM Central by Aric2000 To: CHICAGOFARMER and MOLON LABE!!! 7 posted on 3/1/02 11:21 PM Central by Aric2000 To: DoughtyOne And people wonder why I support Israel. Took the words right out of my mouth! 8 posted on 3/1/02 11:21 PM Central by Pissed Off Janitor To: CHICAGOFARMER 9 posted on 3/1/02 11:22 PM Central by Southack To: CHICAGOFARMER "According to a Feb. 22 story published in The Jerusalem Post, a Palestinian terrorist was attempting to set off an explosive device in yet another crowded Israeli market, when an "alert shopper" recognized what he was doing and "shot him dead."" (WorldNetDaily) I saw the story in the Jerusalem Post - a "mainstream" Israeli daily. Unlike the "mainstream" media here, Israel's "mainstream" media unhesitatingly runs stories of civilians successfully defending themselves and others with firearms. This is far from the first such story they've run. GUN REVIEWS free from ad-money bias - emphasizing woman-friendliness of tested guns! 10 posted on 3/1/02 11:23 PM Central by glc1173@aol.com To: CHICAGOFARMER "a tragedy that was averted when a woman shopping in the packed supermarket apparently saw the terrorist trying to set off a second explosion and shot him twice in the head from close range." Attention K-Mart shoppers: We have a blue light special in aisle twenty two, Pali sweetbreads.... 11 posted on 3/1/02 11:24 PM Central by Brad Cloven To: CHICAGOFARMER To Editor for Editorial page. Here is some more stuff to load your wagon with. Citizens in 44 states “Do not fear Gun Owners who “Citizen Carry” (CC).” In 1986 only eight (8) states allow “citizen carry” (CC) and crime was on the rise. In the year 2001, 42 states now have CC laws on the books and crime continues to drop. Researchers to the self-defense issue, has noticed crime begin dropping immediately after enactment in each state and showed up four - five years before the Brady law. Our Indiana neighbor has issued 350,000 CC permits and zero (0) has been revoked for a firearms homicide. In these states Police Chief’s are pleasantly surprised in the quality of the applicant. There are 21 times more (est. 2,500,000) CC owners than “street” policeman (120,000) in the United States. Policemen killed 330 innocent citizens in 1996 and CC’ers (30). Statistically you are 300 times more likely to be innocently shot by a policeman than a CC owner. Sidebar: 700,000 Doctors kill by mistake 90,000 people annually in our nation. Our hearts should go out to each and every family and our heads need to be crystal clear on this issue. Also Citizen Carry citizens commit less crime that even Police officers as a statistical group. Women are the fastest growing group of gun owners in the United States. “Dial 911 and Die” is real with 911 response times from 5 to 30 minutes. Police only stop 4% in the act violent crime. What logic would as representative suggest to a woman to “talk down” the rapist with AIDS or HIV or STD? 10 minutes is a long time. Get your watch and start talking. Do GG (Gun Grabbers) honestly think the rapist will use a condom? Women should be outraged at the GG for forcing such defenseless thinking. Did you know most rapes last from 2 to 4 hours. Question? Why do you think, judges, probation officers, bail bondman, attorneys and social workers are given the right to CC or decide to carry illegally? If you ask they will tell you, they are dealing bad guys everyday and know the mindset of these early release felons. Bad guys will always have guns. It is “dumb and dumber” to believe America is safer by taking away firearms from honest American Citizens or to make felons. Anti gun groups and faulty ordinances in Chicago land are doing just the opposite providing “gun free zones” for criminals to operate in. Most all State Statues are written to protect the general public not the individual. It is the individual’s responsibility to protect themselves and their families at home and away from home. Road Rage: It is a myth that CC owners kill cops, or citizens with Road Rage. In the United States over the last twenty years only two (2) known road rage shootings have occurred. Believe me if Road Rage shootings were a problem, the Gun Grabbers (GG’ers), would let us know. One case, after a car accident in TX, the driver begins to punch the man in the face, breaking his eye socket, nose. Profusely bleeding from the face and fearing for his life, the 65 yr old driver pulled his gun and shot the road raged driver saving his life. · My personal thoughts: Every solid citizen who elects to “CC” carry’s a tremendous burden. This burden is to stay legal, or be charged with a felony or at least a grand jury indictment, should they ever break one of 25,000 gun laws or kill an attacking criminal. We have plenty of criminal laws to put them away for life should any CC’er turn to the dark side. · Jesus in the Bible was smart enough to cast blame on Cain for killing Abel, not blame the stone. Those who believe the “GG” fear spinners need to wake up. · One final closing thought, Christian religions and other religions teach the need to protect ones self. Jesus said in Luke 22:36 30 He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. The sword was the finest weapon outside of the home of its time, far better than rocks, clubs, and stones. Department of Justice, FBI, CIA, statistics and facts * Facts and Figures * (700k file) http://www.keepandbeararms.com/images/gunfacts.pdf * Facts and Figures ver3.1 *(700k file) http://home.attbi.com/~guys/guns.html end 12 posted on 3/1/02 11:26 PM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Pissed Off Janitor As do I. America has very few friends in the world and Israel is one of them. Heh. Reminds me of a phrase I heard around here a while back. Something about Europeans hating Israel because it smells like America. Or hating America because it smells like Israel. Either way, we're in good company. 13 posted on 3/1/02 11:26 PM Central by Green Knight To: glc1173@aol.com a nice anti-gun control BUMP!! 14 posted on 3/1/02 11:26 PM Central by prophetic To: Brad Cloven To brad Great line Attention Kmart shoppers, how sweet. 15 posted on 3/1/02 11:27 PM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: CHICAGOFARMER Gun control is meant to disarm law-abiding citizens. It presumes that someone who is willing to violate the law and kill others will be willing to obey the law and not use a gun. The function of gun control is to empower criminals and terrorists by ensuring their intended victims are defenseless thereby increasing the probability of a successful attack. 16 posted on 3/1/02 11:27 PM Central by Justa To: CHICAGOFARMER I agree with the article's sentiments, but you should have left the original title. Israel has very restrictive, IMO abusive gun laws. Incident's like the one above are important to cite. They show the benefits of gun ownership. But let's not take the comparison's too far. 17 posted on 3/1/02 11:28 PM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER PING, BLING, BANG, BAM, BUMP, POW, BOOM, etc...etc.... 18 posted on 3/1/02 11:29 PM Central by semaj To: CHICAGOFARMER Re 17, I'll post a summary from JPFO Firearms in Israel ..................................... Many have asked about the easy availability of firearms in the State of Israel, and whether or not they can bring their guns with them when visiting or settling there. Some have visited Israel, or have seen photographs of people walking the streets in Israel carrying firearms. Nearly everyone interested in the preservation of the Second Amendment in America points to Israel as proof of how ordinary citizens, armed and trained, are a deterrent to crime and terrorism. And it's true! However, a quick glance at the rigid gun laws in Israel will show that it has far stricter firearms laws than many people, including myself, previously thought. Enjoy reading the translation as much as I enjoyed translating the document! In liberty, Rabbi R. Mermelstein -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Israel Dept. of the Interior makes notification to the general public the requirements necessary for the obtaining of a permit to possess a firearm: 1. Applicant must be a permanent resident of Israel for 3 consecutive years prior to making application for a firearms permit. 2. Applicant must be 21 years of age. 3. The permit request must be for personal use, not to engage in the business of firearms sales. 4. Applicant must fall into one of the following categories: a. Part-time reservist (volunteer) for 3 years- may own 1 handgun b. Such a reservist (volunteer) is a member of a gun club- may own 1 rifle c. Professional, licensed public transportation driver, transporting a minimum of 5 passengers- may own 1 handgun d. Licensed animal control officer- may own 2 hunting rifles, *not* full automatic weapons, or semi-automatic weapons with a limited capacity magazine. e. Full-time dealer of jewelry or large sums of cash or valuables- may own 1 handgun West Bank and Gaza Strip Settlers: 1. A resident in a militarily strategic buffer zone, essential to the security of the State of Israel- may own 1 handgun 2. A business owner in these geographic areas- may own 1 handgun Veterans: 1. Veterans of the Regular Army honorably discharged with the rank of noncommissioned officer, and veterans of the Reserve Army with the rank of regimental commander- may own 1 handgun 2. Retired law enforcement officers with the rank of sergeant- may own 1 handgun 3. Retired prison guards with the rank of squadron commander- may own 1 handgun Individuals: Upon presenting documentation that one is about to receive a souvenir, a prize, an inheritance, or an award of appreciation from the Israel military. 19 posted on 3/1/02 11:32 PM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER Great article! Sweet! C.H. 20 posted on 3/1/02 11:32 PM Central by ChareltonHest To: SJackson I agree with the article's sentiments, but you should have left the original title. Interesting post. Why do you feel that way? 21 posted on 3/1/02 11:33 PM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: semaj bttt 22 posted on 3/1/02 11:36 PM Central by cibco To: CHICAGOFARMER See 19. Sarah Brady would love that model, it's largely a LEOs only system. Read enough descriptions of these incidents, and you'll note that most of the time it's an "off duty" policeman or reservist thwarting a terrorist attack (when it's not military). Of course that's a much biger chunk of their population than ours. I'd like to see Israel's laws mimicing ours. 23 posted on 3/1/02 11:39 PM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER Re the title, if you change it the article ends up getting double posted (doesn't show up in a title search) splitting up the comments. You might consider using the original title, with your "title" comments (after ). Good post. 24 posted on 3/1/02 11:45 PM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER "It is man who kills and not his sword" --Pope Paul II 25 posted on 3/2/02 12:00 AM Central by Pistol To: CHICAGOFARMER Great article. Ten minutes of equal time on prime time on both sides of the debate would drive home who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. The present illusion is so thin and fragile. When the bubble bursts the gun grabbers will be the emperor in his new clothes. 26 posted on 3/2/02 12:27 AM Central by Zon To: CHICAGOFARMER Very nice editorial. You should think about posting it as a separate article if for no other reason than it gets picked up on the bang list. 27 posted on 3/2/02 12:31 AM Central by Zon To: SJackson Re the title, if you change it the article ends up getting double posted (doesn't show up in a title search) splitting up the comments. You might consider using the original title, with your "title" comments (after ). I have had considerable discussion with Freepr about your comment. Here is my story. One of the key principles of shaping the message to gather strong support for a constitutional cause. The cause the 1st and the 2nd. On Freepr so much (puke) repost without brains. I seen so many times, I posted first ha ha ha. I am not about reposting, I am about change, I am about keeping our nation strong, keeping our principles in place. Sarah Brady and the HCI birds have done so much to destroy our freedoms, weaken our country, reposting is not how freedoms are maintained. Read the constituition and bill of rights. It take a special king of man or woman to swim against the tide. Semper Fi The chicagofarmer 28 posted on 3/2/02 12:38 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: CHICAGOFARMER I noticed someone just changed the title to my article. Who is playing with themselves so they feel more powerful. See post 28. Please forward this comment to Mr Jim Roberson and drop me a note along the way. This Hitler side bar monitors at work again. I don't take the pen out of your hand and you should give the same respect that you want to receive. My title. Israel says U.S. gun-control groups should considered terrorist. The Chicagofarmer 29 posted on 3/2/02 12:43 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Zon To Zon See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. 30 posted on 3/2/02 12:44 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Pistol To Pistol See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. 31 posted on 3/2/02 12:45 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: ChareltonHest To ChareltonHest See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. The Chicagofarmer 32 posted on 3/2/02 12:47 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: prophetic To prophetic See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. The Chicagofarmer 33 posted on 3/2/02 12:48 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: dingram To dingram See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. The Chicagofarmer 34 posted on 3/2/02 12:49 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Southack To Southack you flag is why I write. See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. The Chicagofarmer 35 posted on 3/2/02 12:50 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Aric2000 Tp Aroc2000 See post 29. This is one thing that needs to be fixed with Freepr. Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. The Chicagofarmer 36 posted on 3/2/02 12:50 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: CHICAGOFARMER I have had considerable discussion with Freepr about your comment. Here is my story. One of the key principles of shaping the message to gather strong support for a constitutional cause. The cause the 1st and the 2nd. I don't know (care) about Freeper. I don't know who that poster is. In case you haven't noticed we're on the same side of the 2nd issue. I was simply pointing out the Israel is NOT a country we want to be looking to for gun rights. They're better than the UK and Australia, which is an accomplishment for a country that inherited pre-war British gun laws, but not by much. 37 posted on 3/2/02 12:56 AM Central by SJackson To: SJackson To SJackson Are you the person who changed the title to my article?? 38 posted on 3/2/02 1:01 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: SJackson I don't know if you know this but Freepr have silent monitors who secretly monitor the threads, changing and deleting based upon their basis. Yes I noticed your are on the same side of the issue. But someone noticed your three posts and agreed and their was the monitor changing the title. This use to be a great place to let the writers hammer out the issues. That hammering is now done by monitors. The chicagofarmer 39 posted on 3/2/02 1:05 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: CHICAGOFARMER; bang_list bang bump 40 posted on 3/2/02 1:07 AM Central by SteveH To: CHICAGOFARMER Do not ever let them take the pen out of your hand. I noticed the change in your article to. That REALY REALY pisses me off. I had a few of my posts pulled after a Freeper by the name of Abundy ran crying to a moderator because he decided to misinterpet my post to what he wanted it to mean. The moderator acted like a judge rubber-tamping an ATF warrant....he up and pulled my post; I wounder if he even looked at it. We must make sure the moderators, or anyone who has power to edit or delete another's post, do not abuse their power. C.H. 41 posted on 3/2/02 1:12 AM Central by ChareltonHest To: CHICAGOFARMER Read your other posts, I thought you were responding to my comments on Israel's gun laws. I don't get to change titles here. See my post 24. It was a friendly suggestion. I completely agree with FRs policy of using article titles in the title line for search purposes, but if I didn't, I don't own the place. I would have used Gun control aids terrorism (whatever the other title was in here). 42 posted on 3/2/02 1:12 AM Central by SJackson To: CHICAGOFARMER Just goes to show you: Even without the terrorists that have us in their sights, we have plenty of enemies right here at home. Sarah Brady, Charles Schumer, Rosie, ad nauseum ... 43 posted on 3/2/02 1:20 AM Central by Marauder To: ChareltonHest I noticed the change in your article to. That REALY REALY pisses me off. I had a few of my posts pulled after a Freeper by the name of Abundy ran crying to a moderator because he decided to misinterpet my post to what he wanted it to mean. The moderator acted like a judge rubber-tamping an ATF warrant....he up and pulled my post; I wounder if he even looked at it. We must make sure the moderators, or anyone who has power to edit or delete another's post, do not abuse their power. You cross one of these false liberal bit@# and they run to the monitor thru the Abuse button. The liberals are out here all the time whining. As I say let us hammer the liberal bastards. Most of the monitors are arm chair not working I final have a job place holders. Finally you will never be able to contril the monitors because thier bias, and lack of real world experience prevents it. Remember when a peace office r keep the peace, now law enforcement officers, enforce the law right or wrong. The chicagofarmer 44 posted on 3/2/02 1:24 AM Central by CHICAGOFARMER To: Marauder TO Marauder Tthe domestic enemies at home, Oh yes I can hear you! 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