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X Source: "DOGE has struck a killing blow to the heart of the Democrat deep state machine"
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Posted on 02/03/2025 9:21:59 PM PST by RandFan

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To: Political Junkie Too

When did they pass a law turning USAID into an independent agency?

One of the things President Trump specially stated that they were dissolving it and independence agency and returning it to State Department control

The Alt Left, as usual, is simply manufacturing an alternative reality to fit their TDS.


121 posted on 02/04/2025 7:12:41 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Don't blame me, my congressman is MTG!)
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To: Liz

If USAID can be killed, it would also kill a lot of graft and deprive the Deep State of one of their favored money-laundering operations. But that’s a big “if”. Both Democrats and RINOs will join in defending USAID.


122 posted on 02/04/2025 7:16:35 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: sjmjax

LETS SEE WHERE ALL OUR TAXPAYER MONEY WENT.

LETS HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE.

SHINE A LIGHT ON THE DEMOCRAT SWAMP ILLEGAL PAYMENTS.


123 posted on 02/04/2025 7:35:01 AM PST by Pearfect (Ou can't beat the competition lock-e )
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To: Political Junkie Too; GOPJ

USAID does many evil things, but who knows how the courts will rule. I imagine that their lawyers are burning the midnight oil. As you posted, there was a law passed by congress, but as I understand it, that law makes the SOS (Rubio) the head of USAID. Can he abolish USAID? I believe that USAID has committed fraud as Trump said, but I would think he needs to prove it.


124 posted on 02/04/2025 8:10:15 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: MNJohnnie

See #124


125 posted on 02/04/2025 8:13:12 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Yep all of this will be decided in Courts. That how it works when the other side has a diametrically opposed opinion to the party in power now days

Problem for the Alt Left is going to be where do you fight? Trump is flooding the zone they don’t have the ability to fight everything at the same time


126 posted on 02/04/2025 8:17:57 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Don't blame me, my congressman is MTG!)
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To: MNJohnnie; Political Junkie Too
CNN: But it’s not clear how Democrats opposed to the plans might be able to mount a workable legal challenge to them, since clearing a key threshold issue required to bring cases in court might be a challenge for lawmakers specifically. Vladeck speculated that legal challenges could come from groups not receiving funds they’re entitled to get from USAID or employees who might be laid off.
127 posted on 02/04/2025 8:24:28 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: MNJohnnie
I found the information in this article: Can the President Dissolve USAID by Executive Order? I can't vouch for the leaning of the website or author.

IMHO, Congress didn't pass a law "creating" USAID, they passed a law that reorganized USAID after it was created by JFK. This author is claiming that the reorganization was a de facto creation within the law.

I think that is arguable before the courts. Congress never debated and voted on the "creation" of USAID in the first place. I might have been a much harder task to create it than to reorganize what was already created by Executive Order.

-PJ

128 posted on 02/04/2025 8:53:25 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Thanks. #127 mentions possible leftist/deep state legal ideas.


129 posted on 02/04/2025 9:07:10 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Thanks. I think that article makes some assumptions or false assertions.

  1. The earliest iteration of USAID was established in 1961 under President John F. Kennedy’s administration.

    The article deceptively leaves out that Kennedy established USAID via Executive Order.

  2. During President Bill Clinton’s tenure, Congress passed a law that formally established the agency we know today...

    This is what I questioned in an earlier post. Did Congress "establish" the agency or simply recognize its existence in legislation? Does this count as "creation" or simply acknowledgement that it was previously created?

  3. ...but also gave the president the option to keep it within the State Department. Clinton declined, paving the way for the agency to exist independent of the department.

    This is debatable. According to 22 USC Ch. 74: FOREIGN AFFAIRS AGENCIES CONSOLIDATION §6592. Administrator of AID reporting to Secretary of State

    • The Administrator of the Agency for International Development, appointed pursuant to section 2384(a) of this title, shall report to and be under the direct authority and foreign policy guidance of the Secretary of State.

    But according to §6563. Status of AID:

    • Unless abolished pursuant to the reorganization plan submitted under section 6601 of this title, and except as provided in section 6562 of this title, there is within the Executive branch of Government the United States Agency for International Development as an entity described in section 104 of title 5.

        5 USC 104: Independent establishment:

        • For the purpose of this title, "independent establishment" means-

          (1) an establishment in the executive branch (other than the United States Postal Service or the Postal Regulatory Commission) which is not an Executive department, military department, Government corporation, or part thereof, or part of an independent establishment; and

          (2) the Government Accountability Office.

The conflict that needs to be resolved is the "independent establishment" on the one hand, and "shall report to and be under the direct authority and foreign policy guidance of the Secretary of State.

USAID cannot be both independent AND under the direct authority of the Secretary of State's policy guidance.

-PJ

130 posted on 02/04/2025 9:48:46 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Good points. The reason I linked cnn was to show what they say they are planning to do. It’s important for Trump’s lawyers to think about how they will make their cases.


131 posted on 02/04/2025 10:01:17 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Everyone instinctively knows that America was never the same after the JFK shooting, but no one has figured out until now that it wasn’t the shooting itself but the agency JFK setup that broke America.

USAID

That is a brilliant observation.

Hope you don't mind if I use it as a club to beat some sense into my leftist acquaintances.

132 posted on 02/04/2025 10:11:06 AM PST by Augie
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Everyone instinctively knows that America was never the same after the JFK shooting, but no one has figured out until now that it wasn’t the shooting itself but the agency JFK setup that broke America.


Also the Kennedy Immigration Bill passed in 1965.


133 posted on 02/04/2025 10:11:48 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Bikkuri

“It would be nice if it was the end of the Demoncrap Party.”

Evil never dies. It may be contained or corralled temporarily, but it’s always ‘still there’... waiting for another chance.


134 posted on 02/04/2025 10:14:34 AM PST by Danie_2023
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To: Augie

go for it


135 posted on 02/04/2025 10:18:37 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009
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To: RandFan
As interesting as it has been, I think most people don't grasp how serious the ramifications are for the Democratic party in its current form. They outspent Trump 2:1 in the last election and still lost, and are still choosing the crazies for leadership over more moderate leaders.

The firings and elimination of slush funds and kickback channels that we've already seen are going to slash literally billions of dollars that would have been used to keep Democrats in power. Without the money advantage, and with thousands or millions of voters no longer in a position of automatically pulling the lever for Democrats to keep getting paid off, the next election cycles may be blowouts against Dems.

And I haven't even explored the likelihood that upcoming audits on all these funding channels that are being shut down are likely to produce a tidal wave of explosive lawsuits against corrupt political leaders. Journalists heads are going to keep spinning as there will be so many explosive scandals coming to light that they won't know where to turn, whether they are playing offense or defense or just trying to report the news.

136 posted on 02/04/2025 10:21:33 AM PST by EnderWiggin1970
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To: Qiviut

“Wrongo. USAID was created with an EO by President Kennedy. With the stroke of his Sharpie, Trump can revoke that EO & bye bye USAID.”

We’re seeing the deep state activate its sleeper cells on social media to cast doubt on the legality of Trump shutting down the grift pushed out by USAID.


137 posted on 02/04/2025 10:22:27 AM PST by sergeantdave (AI training involves stealing content from creators and not paying them a penny)
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Some of them are more dangerous than others. The soft speaking Hakeem Jeffries was one on the stars of the J6 Committee Show.


138 posted on 02/04/2025 10:38:59 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
The other thing that gives away the intent of USAID is that Obama crony Samantha Powers was put in charge of it.

Powers was Obama's United Nations Ambassador. She was also the person responsible for the most "unmasking" of hundreds of Americans’ names in secret National Security Agency intercepts during the 2016 election.

This was Americans who were on one end of phone calls to people who were overseas. Obama used the overseas connection to spy on the Americans who were on the other end of those phone calls, and Powers was the person who unmasked the names of the Americans on those calls.

-PJ

139 posted on 02/04/2025 11:07:57 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes indeed! I think it’s Power, not Powers, not related to Stephanie Powers. I thought that was a new record for unmasking, but who knows.


140 posted on 02/04/2025 11:17:18 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Re-imagine the media!)
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