Posted on 03/21/2009 6:26:13 AM PDT by cowboyway
I can't speak for people who are all gone now, but if it were me, and I had a chance to break away from anal retentive people like you, I'd jump at it. Give me any excuse.
“The confederacy initiated the war when it fired on Sumter.”
It did so in self-defense. The Radicals wanted to destroy the South.
You apparently need no excuse at all. And you would have us believe that neither did the confederate leadership.
Kudos for your triple strawman in one sentence!
Slavery wasn't an issue in the seccession, until northern newspaper editors needed an excuse to promote war. Taxation was the foundation of the Civil War. Congress was sucking agriculture dry to support big city cesspools. (sound familiar?)
Lincoln had no opinion WRT slavery, until he saw the power that lay therein.
Yank, you are starting to get it.
I do get it. That’s the point.
The method used to free the slaves was not the Civil War. This is one of misdirections presented when attacking Lincoln (LDS).
The South seceded. Lincoln fought and stated the fight was to preserve the Union. He stated if keeping slavery was the cost he wouldn’t have ended it. That both takes away #1 and #2 as your disagreement. It is what revisionists today are using to impugn Lincoln. The black nationalists are using that argument too.
Lincoln did give a damn about slaves. He just knew the ugly choice he had to make. Once engaged in the struggle, though, there was no reason not to pursue freeing them. But he didn’t free the slaves in the border states. Why? You know why. He had to win the war. Back to that ugly choice. There are no inconsistencies there.
Yes I deplore slavery then, just as I do now. For it still exists.
As an institution slavery didn’t last in other countries because it didn’t survive economically, not because people suddenly got religion.
Here, it might have gone another way as slavery could have remained profitable with the turning of slaves to skilled labor as seen in the bigger cities.
Hence my past comparisons with illegal immigrant labor and the Chinese labor models.
How so?
Then why was it the single most commonly mentioned reason for secession in all the Southern declarations of the causes of session and speeches by the confederate secession commissioners and political leadership?
Taxation was the foundation of the Civil War.
Then why did the South secede before taxes had been raised? Why didn't they secede the year before when the Morrill Tariff had first been introduced? Why did Lincoln's election set them off?
Lincoln had no opinion WRT slavery, until he saw the power that lay therein.
The question is what motivated the South to rebellion, not what motivated Lincoln to fight the war that the confederacy forced on him.
Get rebellion for no reason at all? No, I don't think I do.
Can't be said enough. Yell it from the roof tops, post it everywhere. Any state that wants to go it alone - Godspeed and may the Lord be with you.
It's the states implied threat of seperatism that keeps the Feds in line. Just proves you are a Federal boot licking /expletive deleted/
And how's that working for you?
Just proves you are a Federal boot licking /expletive deleted/
And you're just the /expletive deleted/.
Not so well, I believe there is no chance for seperatism, you Federalist have pretty much won. Next step socialism. Thanks for winning the war.....
You see, there's the rub. We are no different then our 19th century ancestors. The same bad blood is there, I just try to keep it under control. Can you?
I'd say you're not having a lot of success in that area, given your ire towards all things Northern.
The Northerners are pulling us down a socialist toilet, you'll forgive me if I come up for air every now and then, won't you?
Considering the Federal Government always has their hands in the cookie jar, who do you think?
So it is your contention that the federal government is forcing down wages in the South while allowing them to rise in the rest of the country?
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