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The Moment of Truth on Tariffs
Powerlineblog ^ | November 4, 2025 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 11/04/2025 10:08:54 AM PST by lasereye

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I think a lot of the tariffs won't even result in anything being reshored. They're just a tax increase in such cases. A ruling that Trump overstepped his authority could turn out well - if the trade agreements would not be jeopardized. From a legal standpoint, it is debatable whether Trump has the authority to impose most of the tariffs.
1 posted on 11/04/2025 10:08:54 AM PST by lasereye
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To: lasereye

Many are harming the Consumers...


2 posted on 11/04/2025 10:22:39 AM PST by dpetty121263
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Congress continues to be a bunch a totally lazy buck passers of ill repute.

The Supreme Court needs to lock them up as Frauds.


3 posted on 11/04/2025 10:23:17 AM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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HEY, Congress! This is what happens when you delegate your Constitutional responsibilities to another branch of government.

I'm rooting for POTUS for the win.

4 posted on 11/04/2025 10:26:20 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: lasereye

Trump’s best move may be to share intel privately with the Justices on how the tariffs helped with National Security issues.


5 posted on 11/04/2025 10:34:20 AM PST by aynrandfreak (Being a Democrat means never having to say you're sorry)
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To: dpetty121263

Everything that puts the power to the Senate in todays climate is a bad thing.


6 posted on 11/04/2025 10:44:26 AM PST by pas
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To: lasereye

I understand your point, but I hope otherwise. We won’t know for sure until this court ruling comes out, because no investor wants to commit millions of dollars on reshoring and plant expansions only to find that tariffs are invalid and everything is back to the way it was.

I have a dog in this fight. China has created innovative models for printed circuit boards and PCB Assembly with huge automated factories in China for which there is no competitive alternative anywhere else in the world. Yet, at least - many countries with favorable tariffs are watching and waiting and it would be great to have competitive sources in the US, Mexico, and elsewhere. But the high China tariffs and loss of de minimus have brought a lot of innovation at small US businesses to a screeching halt. At least some selective carve-outs and perhaps incentives would help keep what China is good at while not just subsidizing cheap crap from Temu as the present broad-brush treatment has done.

Ideally much manufacturing will return to the US, especially in industries like this which have low direct labor content. But that will require firm, legally tested, trade policy that investors can count on.


7 posted on 11/04/2025 10:48:57 AM PST by bigbob (We are all Charlie Kirk now,)
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If it ends up Congress has exclusive authority to safeguard the nation’s Capital Stock, we are doomed.

And there is no hope.


8 posted on 11/04/2025 10:50:45 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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I think you are a dangerous globalist piece of manure.


9 posted on 11/04/2025 10:52:28 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...x)
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To: dpetty121263

Many globalists are harming American workers. All globalist need to leave the USA.


10 posted on 11/04/2025 10:53:17 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...x)
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This is ball game. Is this an actual nation or just a globalist play ground? We will see.


11 posted on 11/04/2025 10:55:00 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...x)
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To: Paladin2

You can’t have 435 trade negotiators. Also this is not the 1890s, when our main trade competitors were France and Britain.
Also Reagan did more than tariffs-he did quotas on Japanese Motorcycles and cars, also steel. That means limiting the amount brought in, not adding tariffs to their price.


12 posted on 11/04/2025 10:56:19 AM PST by kaktuskid
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The twin pillars of globalism are duty free trade and open borders. Globalists are evil and the enemy. Tariffs are the primary tool to fight Globalists and globalism economically.The other pillar of globalism is open borders and mass migration.

The free trade globalists are not conservative, not patriots and not IMO human.


13 posted on 11/04/2025 11:14:31 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...x)
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To: lasereye

The article claims that “The courts that have ruled against the Trump administration [in the tariff powers case] are not composed of partisan, Democratic hacks.”

Not hacks, maybe, but probably quite partisan. The panel makeup at the Federal Circuit was 8 Democratic party appointees to 3 Republican. A Trump win there was hardly to be expected.

Yet the President’s side of the case attracted 2 Bush II Republicans and 2 Obama Democrats in dissent, vs. 6 Democrats and 1 Bush I Republican in the majority opinion.


14 posted on 11/04/2025 11:20:04 AM PST by Joachim
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Tariffs are the preferred tool of lazy stupid governments to cover up their crony enabling laws and crippling commerce policies.

China builds a coal power plant a week.
They love manufacturing and have not sought to kill it.
They enable resource acquisition they want mining
They have educated literate hard working people.
People must work in China.
They don’t have the alpha bet agencies or unions like we do.
OSHA
FTC
DOEnergy
FCC
EPA
DOL and unions
and that’s just a few.

Trump is making things better but he should focus on removing barriers to manufacturing instead of warring against countries that do not enfeeble themselves.


15 posted on 11/04/2025 11:23:21 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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So you would rather Congress pass 140 different tariff bills? Are you insane?

That is why they passed a law in 1974 giving tge President that authority. It’s more akin to diplomacy.


16 posted on 11/04/2025 11:31:22 AM PST by Fledermaus ("It turns out all we really needed was a new President!")
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Stupid. All of those regs have almost no effect on the price of the final product at retail. While it would help, most corporations like the regs to keep out the small competition from starting up.


17 posted on 11/04/2025 11:37:53 AM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...x)
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To: lasereye

You are whistling in the wind. If the tariffs are shot down, no sane country would keep the current agreements.

Congress will NEVER, EVER survive long enough to impose a tariff on another country or product. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many hands out from both sides to kill any legislation.

The best outcome from this would be for the Trump Administration to argue successfully that the previous legislation passed by Congress WAS there authorization for Tariffs. They simply left it to the Executive branch to implement them on an As-Needed basis dependent upon Foreign Policy and National Security.


18 posted on 11/04/2025 11:50:05 AM PST by Bryan24
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I think it’s 535, but you are right.

We apparently need a Constitutional Amendment to give Tariff powers to the Executive [NOT the Deep State].

Congress have made themselves incapable of governance.


19 posted on 11/04/2025 11:57:48 AM PST by Paladin2 (YMMV)
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To: central_va

Globalists are really Communists in drag...


20 posted on 11/04/2025 12:15:16 PM PST by dpetty121263
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