Posted on 09/22/2025 12:50:06 PM PDT by whyilovetexas111
Who wins? Nobody wins, everybody loses, especially the U.S. taxpayer!
Blackrock and the Finks of the world win.
They get to rape taxpayers for weapons contracts, then get the re-construction contracts, and then get dibs on resources.
Ivan, you’re in our airspace! Turn 180 and fly east to exit!
No one can predict military outcomes, maybe that’s why I found the article to be ridiculous.
It says NATO would just want to preserve alliance territory.
And Russia would just want an aftermath where it has more influence over Europe.
Hogwash. Russia would seek to hold as much of Eastern and Western Europe as possible.
NATO would need to stop the Russian invasion by defeating the Russian army.
Would it lead to nuclear exchanges?
Depends. If Russia wants to go scorched earth they will use nukes at the outset or as soon as they suffer setbacks.
Most likely both sides would try to keep it conventional, in which case Russia would seize some easy territory and then be defeated by the US and NATO. They are no match for our air force for starters. They can’t move on the ground like us, and right now they are tied down in Ukraine. Their navy? Please.
If this is part of a coordinated attack with China, all bets are off and it’s balls to the walls on all fronts.
That’s why we need to deter this stuff through strength.
Russia has all they can handle fighting Ukraine. If the war spreads, Russia will fragment.
On 24 November 2015, a Turkish Air Force F-16 fighter jet shot down a Russian Sukhoi Su-24M attack aircraft near the Syria–Turkey border. According to Turkey, the aircraft was fired upon while in Turkish airspace because it violated the border up to a depth of 2.19 kilometres (1.36 miles) for about 17 seconds after being warned to change its heading ten times over a period of five minutes before entering the airspace
Get the US out of NATO. This isn’t our battle. It’s Europe’s. I’m sick and tired of wasting my taxpayer dollars on proxy wars with Russia.
“...that’s why I found the article to be ridiculous.
The editor in chief of the NSJ has been published in the NY Times and CNN. Not to be trusted with anything.
wy69
China.
The rump UK empire/EU-Davos are collapsing
Their last desperate act will be to start war, especially involving the United States.
We'll See.
I think Putun is stress-testing the alliance. He suspects Germans will not die to defend Estonians. He suspects Trump will be disappointed but unwilling to defend them. And re-absorbing the Baltics rights what he considers a historic wrong since he considers the Baltics to be historically Russian. And, he can say he is defending the rights of Russian speakers there.
Weakness invites him to roll the dice.
The MIC
Why should the US sacrifice everything for the MUSLIM CALIPHATE of Western Europe?
Let’s be honest: Western Europe has fallen to Islam and the WEF (WEF supports sharia).
Poland, Hungary and Slovakia are standing strong against the Sharia-friendly EUSSR, but the US cannot afford to pay for another stupid war, nor do Americans want our troops dying in vain.
Of course, if it goes nuclear, none of this matters. And, I really don’t want to witness a nuclear holocaust for Ukraine.
We keep hearing this Boomer braggadocio about mighty NATO.
Meanwhile, the West is still failing on the basics like artillery ammunition production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZcZrPWlZbQ
it won’t happen
I think this is what we are seeing. a series of events, possible false flags, hyped into a justification for more overt involvement against russia, then a cry of article 5 when things happen.
some of the pictures from poland of the drones make little credible sense. drones clearly photo-staged in places they didn’t land, duct tape on them, etc.
Europe in general does not want this to stop, and they will force trumps hand on it. they are doing so now.
If Russia can’t defeat Ukraine and has most of its army bogged down there, how the hell would it then take on all the members of NATO including the United States?
Has nothing to do with braggadocia.
With the commitment of all the Western air forces including the US?
With the US Navy battle groups committed?
With the US and Europe on a war footing?
Russia can’t defeat Ukraine, it made a mess of that campaign, with what additional army would it take on all the countries of NATO?
why do you think Russia constantly threatened nuclear war (sort of) if NATO became involved?
Why do you think Russia has tolerated direct attacks on its forces and facilities inside Russia?
In addition to being an idiot, Putin knows Russia cannot take On NATO.
He might try to grab the Baltics if he thinks NATO will back down rather than fight him.
Whatever. Show me any recent analysis that has Russia defeating NATO in a conventional war.
That’s what the article was addressing, wasn’t it?
Trump is not weakness.
And we are preparing for Putin to invade the Baltics.
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