His Kingdom is Forever. It is not Vietnam.
Posted on 08/13/2024 4:11:02 AM PDT by FRinCanada2
Amil
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Thessalonians+4%3A16-17&version=NIV
New International Version
16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Pre Trib
Cap “T” for the Trib because the Church was promised and has been under man/Satan tribulation since the beginning.
The Church cannot experience the coming Tribulation from the Father. How could the the Father bring wrath on those who are covered with the blood of Christ and in dwelt by the Holy Spirit?
Pre-Trib.
Reading the news shows it.
I agree.
Revelation 3:10
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Revelation+3%3A10&version=NIV
New International Version
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
I study His word.
Ah-Mil that is good, kind of funny too written out that way.
Pre
I’m mostly a postmill in the favor of partial Preterist. But I do favor a little bit of Amill. Which is technically a form of postmill, but like two to three hundred years ago some theologians decided to come up with Amill to be a little bit more specific of what type of Postmill. Basically in a nut shell the optimistic postmills that might say us Christians win down here even if it looks like we don’t are still called postmills but the Amills which are more pessimistic which might say We loose down here on earth are called Amills.
I am an agnostic. Pre-Trib.
We may not know the day or hour, but we can know the season.
no I did not “study” it.
I do know Jesus said don’t get caught up in distraction/things of the world, I think who gets called home when or predicting this or that is distraction. Taking time from otherwise doing as He told us to: sharing the gospel or doing some thing for the Kingdom.
I do know the Bible says His thoughts and ways are higher than ours. Kinda tells me people trying to be in control and right about some thing will spend time (some times years) trying to figure out things God already said you (no one) likely will never understand, since God alone is God.
Amil
Post trib. We are being prepared for battle;why would God remove us before it happens??
just Catholic...
The Rapture doesn’t exist - the idea came from Darby in the 1830s. If you think God is going to whisk you away to spare you from the Anti-Christ’s infuence, you’re not paying attention to the Holy Bible’s repeated emphasis on enduring to the end.
Just live your life by always loving God, loving your neighbour, living yourself, and keeping God’s commandments. After all, we’re all going to die one day - it could be today, it could be tomorrow, or decades from now. But it is inevitable. The timing and method of our death is irrelevant; what’s important is the consequence of our death: eternal oneness and joy with our God, Jesus Christ, or eternal damnation away from Him.
You are free to choose, so, choose wisely. Eternity’s a long time.
Ideas have consequences. The future you embrace will shape your present. And the legacy you leave your grandchildren.
When I first encountered the pre-trib pre-mil paradigm, and bought into it wholeheartedly, I was a wild-eyed, long-haired, apocalypse-crazed Jesus Freak. David Chilton captured the ethos of those days quite well:
[ I recall a "Jesus People" newspaper of the early 1970s which carried an interview with the most popular "prophecy expert" of those days. On the basis of the "fact" that Jesus was going to rapture His Church "at any moment," this man actually counseled his young followers not to marry and raise families. After all, there was no time for that sort of thing. The Rapture was coming, so any work for dominion would be useless. (If you were the devil, could you devise a better, more "spiritual-sounding" excuse for Christians to abandon God's plan for victory?) The "Rapture Ethic" of those years led many to leave school, jobs, families, and responsibility in general; flocks of Jesus People wandered aimlessly around the country, with no clear goal beyond the next Christian rock concert. It was years before many of them woke up, and it sometimes took years more to put their lives together again.
Chilton, Paradise Restored, pages 10-11:
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During that time, I could not reason, think, or plan more than a week or two ahead.
As a friend pointed out, when I bewailed the five years of my vocational life that I'd lost to vain pursuits, "Tom, you were lucky. Many paid a far higher price."
You may wonder why my icon shows me in academic regalia. Simple -- note the wrinkles and gray hair, rather than the costume. And, of course, the manic grin. That is me at age 59, having just earned a PhD, so as to make the best possible use of the next 30-40 years I anticipate investing in my Lord's service.
I have a bigger, brighter, and more meaningful future ahead of me at age 73 than I did at age 21.
Something about which to think ...
https://www.garynorth.com/freebooks/docs/pdf/paradise_restored.pdf
Same here, which I think makes us amil.
Nicely said RP. I told our pastor the other night I hoped for pre-trib, as our church teaches, but prepared my family for mid/post but pre wrath. I worry that fellow believers (who are sure of pretrib) will be blind to an antichrist, or mark of the beast, because they are sure they will be rapture beforehand. That is potentially dangerous, no? Keep your lamps full!
His Kingdom is Forever. It is not Vietnam.
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