Posted on 06/03/2023 7:46:00 AM PDT by SpeedyInTexas
I think putins actions show the need for regime change in Russia. NATO has been in the border of Russia for some time and the only thing that has happened besides Russia invading in 2014 was more trade. The only aggressor here is Putin, but regime change is up to the Russian people
Which parts, hitler comparison? Seems appropriate. Russia=soviet union? Putin himself has spoke and written about how the breakup of Soviet Union was a disaster and wishes it had not happened, and Holodomer well his actions presently and words from Russian military and govt members call for genecide of Ukrainians so propaganda nah, reality
Russia has deployed elements of the 76th and 106th VDK (airborne) Divisions, plus two Separate VDK brigades. Note: These are not the same quality VDK units as Russia had at the start; they are much degraded and less flexible.
Oh Janey.
Prigo just said Russian troops fled from SW Bakhmut flanks yesterday and Ukraine has regained the territory.
In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine, blitz128 wrote: |
Which parts, hitler comparison? Seems appropriate. Russia=soviet union? Putin himself has spoke and written about how the breakup of Soviet Union was a disaster and wishes it had not happened, and Holodomer well his actions presently and words from Russian military and govt members call for genecide of Ukrainians so propaganda nah, reality |
I don't go for flippant comparisons between putting millions of people in ovens or gassing them based on genetics to NATO's proxy war to force regime change in Russia, but some do.
Putin said the breakup of the Soviet Union was a disaster - it was in terms of geopolitics. But that still doesn't mean that Russia isn't the Soviet Union. Obviously.
No, Putin is not calling for genocide - he wants to get rid of Nazis in the Ukraine and many Ukrainians are not Nazis. Obviously.
Some of FR's Ukrainian advocates do insist that Russians are genetically beasts and need to be exterminated - as if echoing the Nazi sentiments harbored elsewhere in the Ukraine.
NATO wants war - NATO is the aggressor. You totally skipped the overthrow of the Ukrainian government (CIA etc.) and installation of their puppet (Z), their building of a 600K army and ‘plans’ for the Crimea, the Ukrainian’s relentless targeting of Russians living eastern Ukraine and NATO’s maneuvers to capture Russia and add it to its menagerie of 31 nations, and growing. NATO wants to rule the world - Russia is in the way.
NATO, with the help of the CIA, overthrew the Ukrainian government in 2014 and installed a puppet for the express purpose of a proxy war with Russia. There’s a great article describing how it actually started earlier, in 2010, with Hillary Clinton, when the then gov leader wouldn’t lead the proxy war - wheels in motion.
Merkel has admitted that the only reason NATO agreed to Minsk II was to build up the army and provide weapons etc. to the Ukraine for this war. A french official confirmed it. NATO wasn’t peaceably on Russia’s border - it was arming for war to force regime change.
I differentiated between USSR and Russia quite precisely. Nations who didn’t seek the protection of NATO (Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova) have been invaded, annexed and occupied by your beautiful, peaceful, savior Russia.
No - I need not explain Lenin’s corpse when the Ukrainians celebrate Nazism (Banderas). You string together 1-sided assertions as if it’s prosecutorial excellence. Russia knows its targeted for regime change and absorption into NATO - they felt safer when they were a Soviet block. In fact, they were safer from NATO when they were a block - but they want freedom too.
You are fabricating - I never said Russia was a beautiful peaceful savior.
Perhaps, and with that said Russia obliged (or is Putin complicit with NWO????)
Anyways I hope Putin has an island somewhere because the 2nd largest army cannot beat a NATO sort of armed Ukraine. And then the question to be asked is what if Putin had succeeded he is still surrounded by “warmongering “
NATO or was this just his battle of the bulge
However this war was started and the reasons Russia has been exposed as much less than had been projected and perceived. How his sams work is understood, his EW has been compromised, his wunderwaffen have been shown for what they are.
Soros couldn’t have planned it better
First Crimea is Ukrainian second check the numbers the “relentless targeting of civilians” was a few thousand, Paltry compared to czar Putin
Maybe later we can discuss russias ever present meddling in other countries affairs and the installation of the govt prior to Z, but that might be a little uncomfortable
Who know
I suggest you look at(though I believe you know) at the comments from Russian media, govt officials like medveded who are calling for genocide of Ukrainians
There was far more to Hitler than ovens there was invading for lebensraum, his belief that Germans were superior, both things Putin has spoke on.
And doesn’t change the fact that Putin has opined for the days of the Soviet Union and Baltic states and poland are routinely discussed as being part of Russia…
So your opinion not your own facts
“Then NATO would go after Crimea - park missiles there pointing at Moscow and demand surrender.”
Why would NATO do that? There are already five (5) NATO countries closer to Moscow than Crimea is.
“NATO wants regime change in Russia. All the countries you listed joined NATO (NATO controls them to some degree) except Russia. Therefore, NATO wants regime change in Russia.”
You need to go to school and take a basic course in logic.
“NATO wants war - NATO is the aggressor. You totally skipped the overthrow of the Ukrainian government (CIA etc.) and installation of their puppet (Z)...”
You and facts are estranged. The pro-Russia president, Yanukovych, fled Ukraine to Russia at the end of February, 2014, as the Ukrainian Parliament (Rada) was considering a vote of no confidence, or impeachment. After Yanukovych fled to Russia, the Rada appointed Oleksandr Turchynov as acting president, and called for elections. Poroshenko won. Zelensky didn’t become president of Ukraine until 2019.
So, you see, Zelensky was not installed by the CIA; he was elected by the Ukrainian people.
“...Ukrainian’s relentless targeting of Russians living eastern Ukraine...”
Pro-Russia separatists, funded by and armed by Russia, who started a civil war, all according to Russia’s plan.
“...and NATO’s maneuvers to capture Russia and add it to its menagerie of 31 nations...”
You are seriously confused. Why would NATO want to “capture” Russia and bring it into NATO (which currently has 31 members), when all it would have to do is invite Russia to join, and then have the membership vote on it? If NATO wanted Russia in NATO it would not have to go to war with Russia to get it to join NATO.
“NATO wants to rule the world - Russia is in the way.”
You’re in way over your head, kid.
In the Bloggers & Personal forum, on a thread titled Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine, ought-six wrote: |
“NATO wants war - NATO is the aggressor. You totally skipped the overthrow of the Ukrainian government (CIA etc.) and installation of their puppet (Z)...” You and facts are estranged. The pro-Russia president, Yanukovych, fled Ukraine to Russia at the end of February, 2014, as the Ukrainian Parliament (Rada) was considering a vote of no confidence, or impeachment. After Yanukovych fled to Russia, the Rada appointed Oleksandr Turchynov as acting president, and called for elections. Poroshenko won. Zelensky didn’t become president of Ukraine until 2019. So, you see, Zelensky was not installed by the CIA; he was elected by the Ukrainian people. “...Ukrainian’s relentless targeting of Russians living eastern Ukraine...” Pro-Russia separatists, funded by and armed by Russia, who started a civil war, all according to Russia’s plan. “...and NATO’s maneuvers to capture Russia and add it to its menagerie of 31 nations...” You are seriously confused. Why would NATO want to “capture” Russia and bring it into NATO (which currently has 31 members), when all it would have to do is invite Russia to join, and then have the membership vote on it? If NATO wanted Russia in NATO it would not have to go to war with Russia to get it to join NATO. “NATO wants to rule the world - Russia is in the way.” You’re in way over your head, kid. |
You're underperforming biggly. You apparently didn't notice when the CIA director, Nuland, admitted to orchestrating the 2014 overthrow of the Ukraine, and the installation of puppet #1. For war, they needed someone specific, let's call him puppet #2. He was installed in 2019.
Your reasoning re NATO is bizarre - Russia considers NATO an existential thread and both sides know it, and know that Russia would never 'join' NATO. NATO would be silly to invite, after all they've done to force regime change in Russia. Merkel admitted NATO only agreed to Minsk II in order to buy time to prepare the Ukraine to fight Russia. As Putin said of her remarks - 'Trust was lost..."
“You’re underperforming biggly. You apparently didn’t notice when the CIA director, Nuland, admitted to orchestrating the 2014 overthrow of the Ukraine, and the installation of puppet #1.”
Kid, you need to give it up. Victoria Nuland was never the CIA Director. In any event she never “admitted to orchestrating the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine.”
“Your reasoning re NATO is bizarre - Russia considers NATO an existential thread and both sides know it, and know that Russia would never ‘join’ NATO.”
If Russia considered NATO an existential threat (you said “thread,” but I guess that was a typo; then again, maybe not), it would have moved against NATO many years ago, when NATO lacked cohesion. And YOU were the one who brought up Russia becoming part of NATO.
“Merkel admitted NATO only agreed to Minsk II in order to buy time to prepare the Ukraine to fight Russia.”
As is so typical of leftists, and totalitarians, and pro-Russia water-carriers, you take her comment out of context, and; and parrot EXACTLY what Russia said, NOT what she said.
Putin said “Trust was lost?” Too funny! Russia has historically been one of the most untrustworthy countries ever.
Gee, just like China Joe./s
You Biden/deep state/neo-con/Ukraine Laundromat cheerleaders know no bounds in the defense of the globalists who undermine the republic for personal gain.
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