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Russia Claims They Collected Evidence of Avian Flu Pathogens with Lethality Rate up to 40% in Humans at US Biolab in Ukraine
Gateway Pundit ^ | 5-28-2023 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 05/28/2023 11:14:31 AM PDT by bimboeruption

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To: cuz1961

And if you don’t know what it is you can’t develop a counter measure is

Correction

And if you don’t know what it is you can’t develop a counter measure


101 posted on 05/29/2023 2:49:11 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

probably intentionally a bait and switch con,

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Which brings us back to my comment that started this

(5/28/2023, 11:41:01 AM · 23 of 101
cuz1961 to BobL)

Victoria Nuland gave the con away with her awkward pause tell

when she ,

in my OPINION,

almost said bioweapon lab, stopped herself , and said biolab.

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102 posted on 05/29/2023 3:11:14 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961

Fauci used the same faulty presuppositional fallacy as justification for gain of function research.

In order to develop a specific counter measure to a specific future unknown contagion

one needs to know what that specific ( future unknown) contagion IS

and by definition , if it is an future unknown developed contagion, you can’t know what that is

cuz it’s unknown

and in the future

( unless fauci is a prophet /-)

And if you don’t know what it is

you can’t develop a counter measure.

Its a presuppositional fallacy

Cart before the horse

It’s slick and sophisticated reasoning ,

but misleading,

intentionally a bait and switch con,

and false.

Both fauci and Nuland know that.

Rubio stumbled over a can of worms and spooked Nuland imo.


103 posted on 05/29/2023 3:32:57 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961
Presuppositional Fallacy ! [there follows a lengthy quote from my post] I never said anything one way or the other regarding wether the russian thing is justified or not ( which was the assertion by the other poster that I was replying to)

It would be nearly impossible to conduct halfway substantive conversations here at Free Republic without a certain degree of supposition. In other words, it must be expected that other FReepers will make certain inferences if you enter into a discussion about, say, Hitler, and make some "casual" remark like, "Some of the goals he stated in 'Mein Kampf' are sensible!"

Without further context, the other FReepers are entitled to infer that you are "throwing in" with the Nazis.

Likewise, when you enter a heated discussion about the Ukraine conflict, with two sides flinging invective at each other (or advancing reasoned arguments - whichever you prefer), and voice a lukewarm opinion like, "We have other problems we should first deal with," you shouldn't be surprised when other FReepers then assume that you have "thrown in" with those advocating non-involvement.

Regards,

104 posted on 05/29/2023 4:59:05 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: cuz1961
In order to develop a specific counter measure to a specific contagion one needs to know what that specific ( enemy) contagion IS and by definition , if it is an enemy developed contagion, you don’t know what that contagion is And if you don’t know what it is you can’t develop a counter measure is

Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin by accident. It is by all means possible to develop a treatment without (exactly) knowing the specific contagion.

Regards,

105 posted on 05/29/2023 7:44:59 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

Alexander Fleming discovered Penicillin by accident

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The contagions and illness’

penicillin treats

WERE known,, were KNOWN.

You’ve bait and switched the basis of my argument.

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the other FReepers are entitled to infer

....No, they aren’t.

Entitlement is a prog trait.

/

voice a lukewarm opinion like, “We have other problems we should first deal with,”

..anything but lukewarm dude.

you shouldn’t be surprised when other FReepers then assume that you have “thrown in”

... I’m not surprised,, progs whole existence relies on assumptions as opposed to facts.


106 posted on 05/29/2023 7:56:03 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: cuz1961; alexander_busek; Widget Jr; dennisw; Monterrosa-24

Cases of severe bird flu affecting humans in that part of EUrope were being reported 20 years ago as I pointed out in my comment #84. People affected were farmers with flocks of fowl. Thus it would be reasonable for Ulraine to be studying this particular contagion as part of their agricultural science responsibility. Given the behavior of Russia over the entire past 100 years, considering the military aspect of contagions is also sensible and responsible. We know the Russians have lots of nasty bugs in their labs. Also they seem willing to commit any war crime they think they can get away with.


107 posted on 05/29/2023 12:17:25 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: cuz1961; alexander_busek; dennisw; Widget Jr; Timber Rattler; tlozo; MeganC; Monterrosa-24; ...

What was stupid and perhaps criminal on Fauci’s part was conducting gain of function research in the homeland of a potential enemy on a pathogen that probably originated there. Yikes!


108 posted on 05/29/2023 12:22:59 PM PDT by gleeaikin (Question authority!)
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To: bimboeruption

Are you under the impression I don’t view Russia as a threat ?

Is that why I’ve been pinged to this thread ?

you can’t fight an enemy when the time comes to fight

If your home base isn’t secure.

The enemies are inside the freaking wire.

Broken arrow.

.


109 posted on 05/29/2023 12:25:26 PM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: gleeaikin
Yeah, it's your classic "dumb scientist" scenario in which they think that collaboration with an enemy or potential enemy can be done in good faith, and then act all shocked and surprised when that enemy turns around and bites them. It sure did happen with Fauci, Birx, and Redfield and those ChiCom/PLAN scientists in Wuhan.

Kinda like this guy in "Thing From Another World"...


110 posted on 05/29/2023 12:31:16 PM PDT by Timber Rattler ("To hold a pen is to be at war." --Voltaire)
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To: libh8er
The Russians said so it must be true

Yup, still waiting for all the evidence from the russians about the bio-weapons labs, they collected when they invaded the country of Georgia.

Russia claims US running secret bio weapons lab in Georgia-October 4, 2018

Russia’s Defense Ministry said Thursday that the United States appeared to be running a clandestine biological weapons lab in the country of Georgia, allegedly flouting international conventions and posing a direct security threat to Russia — allegations the Pentagon angrily rejected.

Maj. Gen. Igor Kirillov, the head of the Russian military’s radiation, chemical and biological protection troops, alleged at a briefing that the lab in Georgia was part of a network of U.S. labs near the borders of Russia and China. The allegations were based largely on materials about the U.S.-funded Richard G. Lugar Center for Public Health Research in Tbilisi, Georgia. Kirillov claimed the documents released by former Georgian State Security Minister Igor Giorgadze showed the facility was funded entirely by the U.S and the Georgian ownership it has on paper was a cover.

He noted that Giorgadze’s materials cited the deaths of 73 volunteers who took part in tests of a new drug at the lab in 2015-2016. The claim couldn’t be independently confirmed.

https://apnews.com/article/public-health-north-america-health-ap-top-news-in-state-wire-0cf158200e674f41bd3026133e5e043d

111 posted on 05/29/2023 12:36:00 PM PDT by tlozo ( Better to Die on Your Feet than Live on Your Knees )
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To: bimboeruption

good article,thanks
media should cover the UN presentations including rebuttle


112 posted on 05/30/2023 8:41:23 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

this version of Dr David Martin video may have less hype.Pfizer covid patent in 1990 should be provable..
i hope there’s follow up on this
https://rumble.com/v2q9pz4-may-26-2023.html


113 posted on 05/30/2023 8:53:01 AM PDT by CarolinaReaganFan
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