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AZ: Mt Lemmon Bear Attack, Details from 1996
Gun Watch ^ | December 21, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/25/2022 7:19:15 AM PST by marktwain

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I and colleagues have found many more pistol defenses against bears in the intervening five years.
1 posted on 12/25/2022 7:19:15 AM PST by marktwain
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Link to AmmoLand article referencing and linking to numerous pistol defenses against bears.
2 posted on 12/25/2022 7:20:21 AM PST by marktwain
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more pistol defenses against bears in the intervening five years.

Much more effective than banging pots and pans, or throwing sticks. In Nature, bigger wins. Any bullet , used enough, is eventually bigger than the bear


3 posted on 12/25/2022 7:27:02 AM PST by drSteve78 (Je suis Deplorable STILL )
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only black bear there.

don’t sleep with marshmallows.


4 posted on 12/25/2022 7:28:37 AM PST by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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Seems like sop should be to approach a problem with a tool and not need it, rather than not have the tool, and it be 200 yards away under the seat.


5 posted on 12/25/2022 7:30:46 AM PST by Theoria
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My biggest question is regarding calibre vs projectile speed.

Is a small high speed projectile going to be effective, or is a larger slower one better?

EG 7.62mm vs .40”


6 posted on 12/25/2022 7:33:52 AM PST by Don W (When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burnSeriouslyhites riot, nations and continents burn)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the post!


7 posted on 12/25/2022 7:39:09 AM PST by caver
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To: mylife

Or picnic baskets....


8 posted on 12/25/2022 7:49:40 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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Seems like sop should be to approach a problem with a tool and not need it, rather than not have the tool, and it be 200 yards away under the seat.

Even worse is that he accidentally brought it.

9 posted on 12/25/2022 8:00:34 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: Don W
With bears, you want good penetration. If we are limiting ourselves to handgun calibers, heavier for caliber bullets generally penetrate better, if the bullets are designed to penetrate.

In lead, non-jacketed bullets, this means, mostly, hardcast lead bullets.

In jacketed bullets, mostly full metal jacketed bullets.

In .40 caliber, use heavy, full metal jacketed bullets, or, there are some heavy hard-cast bullets.

In 7.62 caliber, use full metal jacketed (fmj) bullets. 7.65x17 (.32 acp) is a bit light, but the 73 grain fmj would likely be the best. The 7.65 Mauser or 7.62x25 Tokarev with fmj bullets would likely work very well. They have significant energy and are known bone-breaking/shattering loads.

In .32 revolver cartridges, use heavy for caliber fmj or hard-cast bullets.

The best handgun .40 caliber cartridge is probably the 10mm with heavy bullets. It has a good reputation.

The "best" 7.62 handgun cartridge is probably the 7.62x25 Tokarev with fmj bullets. There is very little data on this cartridge being used against bears, it is not a popular carry cartridge in the USA, where most data is collected.

10 posted on 12/25/2022 8:10:43 AM PST by marktwain
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A slow projectile may not penetrate far enough to reach the vitals.


11 posted on 12/25/2022 8:17:29 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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Gun beats No Gun.
Even my Ruger MK II would have been
Appreciated on my hike below the
Boy Scouts camp about the time of
This particular attack.


12 posted on 12/25/2022 8:42:27 AM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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Or you could drop the bear mauling part of the 4-H outing curriculum.


13 posted on 12/25/2022 8:51:29 AM PST by Cold Heart ("Miracle Grow for tumors")
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yogi loves pb&j


14 posted on 12/25/2022 8:52:11 AM PST by mylife (And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids...)
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Just looked up BuffLo Bore ammo in 357 mag
.
1400 fps and over 800 FPs from 180gr
Hard cast ...
Misses Claus may Not get her New Toaster!


15 posted on 12/25/2022 9:03:23 AM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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Or beating on the sides of the tent!


16 posted on 12/25/2022 9:07:30 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (If you're not part of the solution, you're just scumming up the bottom of the beaker)
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The best handgun .40 caliber cartridge is probably the 10mm with heavy bullets. It has a good reputation.

The Glock 20 (10mm) loaded with Buffalo Bore 220 gr is the go-to pistol for bear defense in Alaska.

17 posted on 12/25/2022 9:12:00 AM PST by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: Don W

For something like a bear with thick hide and lots of muscle, I’d go for penetrating power. That means velocity. 44 Magnum would be ideal but though people like to pretend otherwise, 9mm has been shown to be effective in several bear attacks. 356 pounds is the size of a large human and 9mm will easily kill a human. It’d be effective against Black Bears too.

I never go out without my gun. That’s especially so when I go hiking.


18 posted on 12/25/2022 9:17:38 AM PST by FLT-bird
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https://youtu.be/Nn2XX81_kPU


19 posted on 12/25/2022 9:48:31 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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As I recall from the time, the attack was partially blamed on her perfume.


20 posted on 12/25/2022 9:50:08 AM PST by Do_Tar (All my comments are creative or artistic expression.)
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