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Supreme Court Upholds Gun Rights Outside of the Home, Let’s Break It Down
AmmoLand ^ | June 29, 2022 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 07/01/2022 4:39:11 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: Buttons12
I haven’t read everything about this decision, but in all I’ve seen there’s no mention of open/concealed carry.

The decision only strikes down the New York Sullivan law, especially the "good cause" provision.

The meat, though is in the process Clarence Thomas and the decision set up on how to decide what is protected, and what is not.

All kinds of carry was protected at the ratification in 1791, both open and concealed. But by 1868, after the Barron decision where the Supreme Court ruled the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states, a few states were banning concealed carry.

Therefore, a case can be made that concealed carry may be banned if open carry is allowed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified in 1868. I think it is a weak case, but it can be made.

There is still much restoration of the right to keep and bear arms to come. The court is reluctant to make big jumps.

I am working on an article about the right to be armed while traveling.

Many laws restricting carry made exceptions for when people were traveling. The current system, where states ban people who are traveling (from other states) from carrying, concealed or openly, would never have been accepted in either 1791 or 1868.

21 posted on 07/01/2022 6:00:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: rlmorel

I have yet to read the entire decision, Justice Thomas is a genius.
He cuts through all the liberal arguments and displays LOGIC. Pure logic, in the simplest fashion, so even a 12 year old should be able to understand it.


22 posted on 07/01/2022 6:02:12 AM PDT by telescope115 (Proud member of the ANTIFAuci movement. )
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To: Travis McGee

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23 posted on 07/01/2022 6:04:29 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

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24 posted on 07/01/2022 7:17:27 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (We Are JONAH)
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To: marktwain

“keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed” — not even a smidgen of wiggle room there.


25 posted on 07/01/2022 7:18:49 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Joe Biden has been protected by assault weapons his entire adult life. )
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To: Sacajaweau

pretty much covers any place outside the home.
= = =

What is the defn of ‘home’ for a homeless person?

In some cases it is their park bench.

Maybe for them, home is a 6 foot circle centered around them.


26 posted on 07/01/2022 7:27:53 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: Lurker
” If they wish to ban it [ open carry] they are free to do so.”

So when the Founders wrote the Second Amendment they intended for everybody to own two guns ; a handgun for concealed carry and a long gun for Militia duty?

I don’t think so.

Some early Militia statutes REQUIRED that males who are subject to Militia duty supply themselves with a long gun.

27 posted on 07/01/2022 7:51:39 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

The subject is covered pretty well in the Federalist Papers.

I suggest you read them. There’s no better way to discern the intent of the Founders than to read their own words.

L


28 posted on 07/01/2022 7:53:43 AM PDT by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: marktwain

What does this mean for US citizens traveling to nearby states, such as if I cross the nearby California border? Am I now allowed to carry—and is it my or their choice of open or concealed? I am still a US citizen afforded constitutional rights when I am in California, I think.


29 posted on 07/01/2022 8:16:08 AM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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To: Scrambler Bob

If one lives on their boat and are always traveling. Or lives in a RV. Their boat or RV is their home. If you’re in Florida your ok. If your in New York or Maryland you’re subject to arrest.


30 posted on 07/01/2022 8:20:51 AM PDT by CJinVA
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To: Reno89519; All
What does this mean for US citizens traveling to nearby states, such as if I cross the nearby California border? Am I now allowed to carry—and is it my or their choice of open or concealed? I am still a US citizen afforded constitutional rights when I am in California, I think.

This was not addressed, directly in the decision.

However, the historical record is clear. American citizens have the right to be armed while traveling in the United States.

It is up to a future court decision to enforce that right.

31 posted on 07/01/2022 8:25:23 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Lurker
"The subject is covered pretty well in the Federalist Papers.

I suggest you read them. There’s no better way to discern the intent of the Founders than to read their own words."

Yes indeed!

32 posted on 07/01/2022 11:40:33 AM PDT by SuperLuminal
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To: marktwain

Not sure I want to be the one to risk my gun and me in jail to test that in nearby California.


33 posted on 07/01/2022 12:05:34 PM PDT by Reno89519 (FJB. Respect America, Embrace America, Buy American, Hire American.)
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34 posted on 07/01/2022 12:07:27 PM PDT by RandallFlagg ("Okay. As long as the paperwork is clean, you boys can do what you like out there." -Fifi)
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To: Buttons12

I don’t think NY allows any kind of “carry” for self-defense without permission from The State.


35 posted on 07/01/2022 12:55:55 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Clutch Martin

No it isn’t NYs option. It is enumerated at the federal level of a God given right and as such preempts and overrules state and local laws


36 posted on 07/01/2022 11:51:18 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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To: Clutch Martin

No it isn’t NYs option. It is enumerated at the federal level of a God given right and as such preempts and overrules state and local laws


37 posted on 07/01/2022 11:51:26 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy - EVs a solution for which there is no problem)
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