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Germany Mulls Reviving Draft To Beef Up Military Amid War In Ukraine
Zubu Brothers ^ | 3-5-2022

Posted on 03/05/2022 5:18:17 AM PST by blam

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1 posted on 03/05/2022 5:18:17 AM PST by blam
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We need to restart the draft here in the United States.
Convince me otherwise.


2 posted on 03/05/2022 5:23:26 AM PST by oldbill
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If they do it will be the women who fight the war.


3 posted on 03/05/2022 5:26:36 AM PST by Bayard
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To: blam

“Germany Mulls Reviving Draft To Beef Up Military Amid War In Ukraine”

Good to hear, maybe they’ll start making MEN out of their Soy Boys.

And yes, that is the kind of action a country can take (along with drill-baby-drill) that STILL gets Putin’s attention without risking WW3.


4 posted on 03/05/2022 5:29:40 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: oldbill

“We need to restart the draft here in the United States.
Convince me otherwise.”

Interesting that we don’t hear anything along those lines, or anything else about building up our military, in the US. Perhaps our needs are met with the recent inclusion of drag queens?


5 posted on 03/05/2022 5:31:00 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: blam

“Wir marschieren wieder! Die gute alte zeit ist zurruck!*

* We march again! The good old times are back!’’.

So... what’s the latest in Hugo Boss military wear for The Germany Army these days?

What’s the well dressed ‘’frontswine’’ wearing?


6 posted on 03/05/2022 5:40:45 AM PST by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: oldbill
1) One year term draftees are going to be unmotivated, resentful, and more or less useless. We're seeing how relatively ineffective they are right now in Russia.

2) You can't have mandatory service for all and have it be for longer than that without having a massively overstaffed military.

3) Tons of them are going to be physically/mentally/emotionally unsuited to serve, and be damned dangerous to anyone around them.

4) The massive degradation in troop quality is going to discourage many who currently volunteer to serve from making it a career. They'll just get the hell out rather than put up with all the numbskulls and problems they'd create. You'll lose a lot of good NCO's and officers. That would degrade our combat effectiveness significantly.

5) Rather than imparting military virtues to civilians, the flood of crappy recruits and very high turnover inherent in 12 month contracts will be bringing civilian lack of virtues to the military.

7 posted on 03/05/2022 5:41:36 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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That’s not a bad idea. The reason most young people don’t do military service is they are in a hurry to get to college and start making money. Yet people are living longer, so putting that off for a year or two would not be that harmful, especially if everyone had to do it, eliminating the FOMO aspect. With the GI Bill still in place, fewer kids would have to run up astronomical debt to pay for college. Kind of a win-win.

And yes, that would apply to women and trans freaks.


8 posted on 03/05/2022 5:41:42 AM PST by Apparatchik (If you find yourself in a confusing situation, simply laugh knowingly and walk away - Jim Ignatowsk)
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I am opposed. We don’t need a draft. We have plenty of troops to defend the actual borders of the USA. If we need more, it would be for the enforcement of a NWO. No.


9 posted on 03/05/2022 5:48:33 AM PST by Stingray51 ( )
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To: oldbill

If this corrupted country came for my boys?
Screw them.


10 posted on 03/05/2022 5:56:05 AM PST by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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To: jmacusa

Volk ans gewehr!


11 posted on 03/05/2022 6:06:15 AM PST by ssapro (SSAPRO/ EXBP)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Obviously you are not aware that we won World War II against two superpowers with a mostly drafted military.


12 posted on 03/05/2022 6:27:35 AM PST by oldbill
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And then won the Cold War against the third superpower with nearly 30 years of a drafted military.


13 posted on 03/05/2022 6:30:29 AM PST by oldbill
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Jawohl! Fuhrer befiehl, wir folgen!
14 posted on 03/05/2022 6:36:16 AM PST by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

You make some good points, and I can see a one-year term being destructive to the force and not worth the effort.

I have concerns about our current force being able to withstand combat they are not convincingly winning.


15 posted on 03/05/2022 6:50:00 AM PST by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: oldbill

Why? Because it worked so well during Vietnam?


16 posted on 03/05/2022 6:58:30 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: blam

“Germany Mulls Reviving Draft To Beef Up Military Amid War In Ukraine”

My mind saw Germany, Draft, Beer.


17 posted on 03/05/2022 7:02:45 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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Agreed - but I think that is so to top-down negative command influence, not the quality of recruits. It is so much easier leading volunteers than draftees and turning them into a cohesive, motivated force.

That's even more magnified now give. That so many young people are keyboard/couch/videogame potatoes lacking any real physicality. By the time you could get them in anything close to good physical condition, they'd be out.

18 posted on 03/05/2022 7:03:33 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin ( .)
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Obviously you are not aware that we won World War II against two superpowers with a mostly drafted military.

After Pearl Harbor, thousands upon thousands volunteered for duty. Those men were not drafted.

We are not yet facing an existential threat as was posed by the Axis powers.

FRiend, you make good points, but I was on active duty from 77-84, while we were building the All Volunteer Force. The AVF continues to this day, but our problem is not number of personnel, it's a stagnant, politicized Pentagon that is the problem. A draft will not solve that problem.

19 posted on 03/05/2022 7:05:17 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
You beat me by two minutes, GMTA and all that...lol.

My tour in Germany has yet to be toppled from my list of importance of jobs I've had. I'm not saying my professional life went downhill after that, of course.

I was with the same battalion for 4 1/2 years, starting out as a Chaparral Platoon Leader, ending as the Battalion S-4. Early on, we had our share of issues with new soldiers, but we worked through them. OTOH, the most fun I had as a Vulcan Platoon leader with 3 squad leaders who were "acting jacks", i.e. E-4s instead of the authorized E-6s. They weren't jaded, they were eager to learn.

Despite usually good natured ribbing over their youth and inexperience, we shocked everyone when we were the only platoon to pass during a battery level evaluation. I never doubted their ability, it was easy to lead them.

20 posted on 03/05/2022 7:17:43 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Gonzales! Come and Take It!)
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