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Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22: The Ultimate Training Rifle?
19FortyFive ^ | 9/16/2021 | Richard Douglas

Posted on 09/16/2021 6:24:39 AM PDT by Onthebrink

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To: oldasrocks

That’s funny. I remember seeing the .22LR rifles with the white diamond on the forearm at Sears when I was a youngster. Of course, I was standing at the counter dreaming about the day I’d actually own a 22. I DID eventually wind up getting a Ted Williams tube-fed for Christmas. Loved that rifle...still have it. Also, the wife inherited a Marlin Model 99 tube-fed after her father passed. A good cleaning and a couple small repairs and...so much fun! My Ruger 10/22 is a prize also.


21 posted on 09/16/2021 8:05:39 AM PDT by moovova (Joe Biden...Making the Taliban great again!)
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To: Yo-Yo

Equal function for l;ess cost. Conversion is simple and quick. BUT, my bedside rifle is an M&P 15/22 loaded with Velocitors which ammo I have tested extensively through it and trust. I have a laser mounted in front of the frotn sight, to use for point shooting, and a flash under the foreend. I have made a double mag side-by-side giving me fifty rounds ont he gun. If I don’t stop a threat with that I have a shotgun and an AR15 nearby. My bedside pistol is a Taurus 92 AF with eighteen round magazine. BUT I trust that M&P 15/22 if I have time to grab it first. Reliability is equal to the 1022 and easier to clear if a cartridge misfires.


22 posted on 09/16/2021 8:06:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: knarf

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23 posted on 09/16/2021 8:10:01 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Onthebrink

For children and those who are extra skittish, I want to give a nod to the .22 short. It gives almost no kick, and if you are wearing good hearing protection, you still have to pay attention to *hear* it. It is a great icebreaker for those above.

It is an excellent bullet for the inexperienced to learn proper handling of a rifle.

An important twist is that it is actually a frustrating ammo, another good effect, in that even novices want to step up to a stronger round. A .22 LR is gratifying after that.

A good step up from BB and pellet shooting.


24 posted on 09/16/2021 8:22:09 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Do kids in Iceland still play "The Floor Is Lava?")
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To: Durus
I’ve tried them, built an upper around one, and was less then happy with the outcome. Not saying the 15-22 is better, but it can’t be much worse.

I've trained with them in the USAF. The issue is accuracy, or the lack thereof.

A dedicated .22LR upper like the M&P15-22 has a true .22 cal barrel.

The .223/5.56 barrel is just a bit big for .22LR, so accuracy suffers when using the CMMG drop-in conversion bolt on a 5.56 upper.

But functionally, IF YOU USE GOOD .22LR AMMO like CCI Mini-Mags, they function just as well as my Ruger 10/22.

If you use crap "bucket-o-bullets" .22LR, you'll get crap results.

25 posted on 09/16/2021 8:22:58 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: circlecity

“Lining up sites is lining up sites” leaves a lot out of even basic familiarization of a platform, never mind developing any kind of proficiency.

Hold is quite different between a pistol grip on an AR and a 10/22 making the trigger pull different. Proper fore end grip is different between the two. Sight radius and sight adjustment are different between to the two, optics for ARs, particularly height and eye distance (generally) are different between the two. Safety, mag release, reload, bolt catch/release are different between the two. None of these apply to the differences between a AR-15 and a AR-10.

Fundamentally all firearms have commonalities, but I’ve sure seen people better with one platform than another. If an AR is going to be a persons primary rifle in a stressful situation then they should develop skills on that platform. Going for a safety/mag release/reload/emergency clear when time is of the essence, that familiarity could make all the difference.


26 posted on 09/16/2021 8:55:22 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

All that takes lees than 5 minutes to adapt to for even the most novice shooter.


27 posted on 09/16/2021 9:12:21 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Onthebrink

You can rig up your 10/22 with a black rifle kit and do the same thing.


28 posted on 09/16/2021 9:13:24 AM PDT by lurk ( )
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To: Durus

And I use the exact same holosun red dot optic for my 10/22 as I do with my AR-15.


29 posted on 09/16/2021 9:14:45 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
For children and those who are extra skittish, I want to give a nod to the .22 short... A good step up from BB and pellet shooting.

Another similar option is .22 CB Long, which is closer to .22 Long Rifle in length, so it will generally feed reliably from .22 LR mags (but not cycle the action on semi-autos).

For training someone who is close to adult size, a pistol caliber carbine is an alternative that also offers lower recoil & noise levels, and relatively inexpensive ammo (during 'normal' times ;^); plus, a PCC works for basic self-defense functions, especially for the gun owner who just wants "one gun"...

30 posted on 09/16/2021 9:54:51 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("He therefore who may resist, must be allowed to strike." - John Locke)
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To: LIConFem

My son is an expert marksman in the military. Shooting many perfect scores at the range. He has one of these and has even sent back to the factory for a new barrel. Still shoots inconsistently.
But still fun to shot and inexpensive at the range.


31 posted on 09/16/2021 10:30:14 AM PDT by midwest_hiker
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32 posted on 09/16/2021 10:34:46 AM PDT by shotgun
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Gun Porn :)

You're gonna get me in trouble with the law with statements like that. :)

33 posted on 09/16/2021 11:52:52 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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