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Initial Reaction To Charles Murray's "Facing Reality"
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 21 Aug, 2021 | Francis Menton

Posted on 08/22/2021 4:38:32 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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To: LS; Wuli

Median black IQ is 85.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

130 black infants, adopted as babies by white affluent families with average adopting parent IQ of 120.

The children were raised all their lives by educated white parents, going to middle class schools.

At 17, the median IQ of the black kids was 89.


21 posted on 08/22/2021 9:29:56 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: SauronOfMordor

cherry picking anecdotal examples, not wide studies


22 posted on 08/22/2021 9:48:48 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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To: Wuli

Ok, so go find a contrary wide story. You won’t find one.


23 posted on 08/22/2021 10:51:10 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: SauronOfMordor

4.7 % nurture, 95.3 % nature.


24 posted on 08/22/2021 11:37:40 AM PDT by brianr10
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Maybe not that high, but a multitude of twins studies indicate a very strong correlation between genetics and IQ, as well as other personal factors.


25 posted on 08/22/2021 1:15:20 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: Wuli

Agree. This is kind of a dodge. We were only talking IQ, not success, not faith, not desire. Only IQ.


26 posted on 08/22/2021 5:08:31 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix) )
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To: SauronOfMordor

“At 17, the median IQ of the black kids was 89.”

1. Yes, and everyone in the study had a registered decline in reported IQ of between 4% and 8%. I suggest you go back and look at how every category faired, between the tests at age 7 and the tests at age 17. All groups declined.

2. Read the analysis of the people who did the study. They do not rule out the environment of the adopted children prior to adoption. Why? Very early parental influence in child development is very important.

3. The study involved adopted children. Adoption itself involves attributes that nurture can affect, which include as much what the parents supply in expectations, MORE SO than their own IQs. Liberals make horrible teachers and parents of “underprivileged” kids because they start out with low expectations of them. It is no secret why black parents in the south like the old traditional “historically black” (all black) private high schools. Their kids will not have low expectations from their teachers and will be pushed to do their best. Unlike the Liberal public schools that don’t expect much from the “minority” students.


27 posted on 08/23/2021 9:19:52 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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What are SAT scores like from historically black high schools? They should be high, because the student body comes from the population with the income to afford them, right?

So, what’s the actual data?


28 posted on 08/23/2021 9:45:53 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Maybe Thomas Sowell has the data. I think he may have researched it more than mainstream academics.


29 posted on 08/23/2021 10:26:27 AM PDT by Wuli (Biden )
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I’ve read a lot of Sowell. He has made a number of comments about it being a disservice to black students for Affirmative Action to send them to schools that they are mismatched for, just to see them fail there where they could have succeeded at a lower tier school that better matched them.

But I have not seen Sowell put out any data disputing the black median IQ.


30 posted on 08/23/2021 1:28:41 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A Leftist can't enjoy life unless they are controlling, hurting, or destroying others)
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