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If you had Covid, do you still need the vaccine?
American Institute of Economic Research via NOQ Report ^ | Paul E Alexander MSc PhD, Howard C. Tenenbaum DDS, Dip. Perio., PhD, , Dr. Parvez Dara, MD, MBA

Posted on 04/07/2021 5:29:08 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Captain Peter Blood

Already had the virus bit then went on and got the vaccine, why? It really wasn’t going to do him much good.
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Fauci began lying about immunity, and telling people it only lasts a matter of months. He just flat made that up.
The medical dictators convinced people that they could get Covid-19 again, and that their immunity would be useless against variants. All lies, all against known medicine. An elderly person will likely be forced by their doctor or family to get the ‘shot’ to keep them ‘safe’.


41 posted on 04/07/2021 7:00:25 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

I saw an anecdote wherein a man said his brother overrode his direction to his father’s nursing home that he not be vaccinated, and had him vaccinated without telling anyone until afterwards.


42 posted on 04/07/2021 7:01:54 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Still impaired by Covid but advised to get shot. Does make you wonder who thought someone with supposedly 'long haul' Covid should get the vax.


43 posted on 04/07/2021 7:11:35 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Two words:

Invermectin Hydroxychloroquine


44 posted on 04/07/2021 7:17:40 PM PDT by C210N (You can trust government or you can understand history. But you CANNOT do both.)
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To: C210N

The Trump vaccine is working well


45 posted on 04/07/2021 7:22:33 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Good luck to you.

Can we agree that the choice is up to the individual?


46 posted on 04/07/2021 7:31:21 PM PDT by C210N (You can trust government or you can understand history. But you CANNOT do both.)
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To: metmom

Yes. Let’s see who else makes my list tonight...


47 posted on 04/07/2021 7:35:35 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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To: C210N

“ Can we agree that the choice is up to the individual?”

Well yes.
And that’s the point of getting a vaccine created and usable in less than a year.
Extra red tape and FDA years long delays were set aside so people could chose to be protected .


48 posted on 04/07/2021 7:39:38 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: HereInTheHeartland; C210N
1) Of course it will protect you
2) yes it will keep you from spreading it
3) This is an issue President Trump tried to address. We all have had little patience with the multi year wait times to get new life saving drugs to market. The FDA has a huge amount of hurdles. So are we ok with going back to that long government delay in getting new promising drugs out?
Or are we ok with shorter wait times?

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Of course it does not protect you. It was not designed to protect you from becoming infected or spreading infection.

 

We already had highly effective FDA approved drugs in use for decads but the CDC denied the 'right to try' those drugs to dying covid-19 patients because if they had allowed access, the vaccine manufacturers wouldn't get to introduce experimental treatments on the public. Talk about long wait times! You just have to die without treatment until they fake a vaccine a year later?

 

The fake vaccines are not FDA approved. Ivermectin, HCQ etc. are FDA approved and have worked well around the world. In the US, doctors were telling people sick with covid to go home, and come back when they needed hospitalization. That was it - no treatment.


LET US HAVE IVERMECTIN and HCQ and other drugs known to work and stop forcing fake vaccines on us!


People - it's us against the CDC, FDA, Biden administration talking heads like Fauci. We have to advocate for ourselves. I encourage everyone to download the free home guide to treating Covid for information about drugs and treatments otherwise suppressed.

Here's the direc tlink: aapsonline.org

Here's the original thread:

A Guide to Home-Based COVID Treatment

aapsonline.org ^ | December 11, 2020 | Jane M. Orient M.D., & Elizabeth Lee Vliet, M.D.

Posted on 3/25/2021, 11:44:49 PM by ransomnote

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Proof below these 'shots' are not vaccines.

1. [MN] MDH reports 89 'breakthrough' cases of COVID-19 after becoming fully vaccinated; Ehresmann says 'it's not surprising'

KTSP ^ | 03/24/2021 | Brandi Powell

 

Pasted from <https://freerepublic.com/tag/by:ransomnote/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change>

 

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2. Specifics: Why Moderna/Pfizer Covid 'shots are not vaccines - with article excerpt below and link to explanatory video.

"I believe I have found the best definition from Dr. David Martin [see Martin’s bio here] in a video he produced in late January with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Dr. Judy Mikovits.

I watched it three times and each time was able to grasp a little more of what he said. I augmented what I heard with some of my own research and can confidently present it as truth.

One thing you will absorb even on the first listen is this: The injections being supplied by Moderna and Pfizer are NOT VACCINES.

According to Dr. Martin, these manufacturers had to disguise their treatments as vaccines in order to fit them under the 1905 Jacobson v. Massachusetts U.S. Supreme Court case, a ruling that has been interpreted [some say misinterpreted] as a license for states to mandate vaccines during health emergencies.

With that background, listen to Dr. Martin explain the rest. Below is a word-for-word transcription of most, not all, of what he has to say in the above video [italics are mine added for emphasis].

 

“Let’s make sure we’re clear on something. Let’s stipulate that this is not a vaccine. We need to be very clear that we’re using the term vaccine to sneak this thing in under public health exemptions.

This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA, packaged in a fat envelope, delivered to a cell. This is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator. It is not a vaccine.

Vaccines are actually a legally defined term. And they’re a legally defined term under public health law. They’re a legally defined term under CDC and FDA standards, and a vaccine specifically has to stimulate, both an immunity within the person receiving it but it also has to disrupt transmission. And that’s not what this is.

They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand going into the cell is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment. But if, it was discussed as a treatment it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities because then people would say well what other treatments are there?

“The use of the term vaccine is unconscionable for both the legal definition of it, but also because it actually is the sucker punch to open and free discourse, because by saying ‘vaccine’ you dump it into a thing where you could be anti or pro ‘the therapy,’ but if you actually talked about it as a therapy, and remember, and people forget this, Moderna was started as a chemotherapy company for cancer, not a vaccine manufacturer for SARS-COV2.

If we said we’re going to give people prophylactic therapy for the cancer they don’t have, you’d be laughed out of a room, because that’s a stupid idea. That’s exactly what this is.

This is a mechanical device in the form of a very small packet of technology that is being inserted into the human system to activate the cell to become a pathogen-manufacturing site.

“And I refuse to stipulate in any conversations that this is in fact a vaccine issue. The only reason why the term is being used was to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written.

And if we were honest with this we would actually call it what it is. It is a chemical pathogen device that is actually meant to unleash a chemically pathogen production action within a cell.

 

It is a medical device, not a drug, because it meets the CDRH [Center for Devices and Radiological Health] definition of a medical device. It is not a living system, it is not a biologic system [as it would be if it were a vaccine]. It is a physical technology. It happens to just come in the size of a molecular package.

“So we need to be really clear on making sure we don’t fall for their game, because their game is if we talk about it as a vaccine then we’re going to get into a vaccine conversation.

But this is not, by their own admission, a vaccine. As a result it must be clear to everyone listening that we will not fall for this failed definition, just like we won’t fall for their industrial-chemical definition of health, because both of them are functionally flawed and are an explicit violation of the legal construct that is being exploited.

“I get frustrated when I hear activists and lawyers and everybody else say, ‘we’re going to fight the vaccine.’ If you stipulate that it’s a vaccine you’ve already lost the battle. It is not a vaccine.

“It is made to make you sick. 80 percent of the people who get the virus are asymptomatic, meaning they have no symptoms at all.

80 percent of the people who get this injection have a clinical adverse event. You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness, not to induce an immuno-transmissive response.

In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick, and having your own cells being the thing that get you sick.”

There is more in the video and I encourage you to watch it in full.

Leo Hohmann is an independent author, researcher and journalist. His strives to , follow the facts no matter where they lead. 

Pasted from <https://leohohmann.com/2021/03/12/heres-why-mrna-injections-do-not-meet-the-legal-definition-of-vaccine/>

 
3. Cruel Irony: This attachment is NIH approved research in Pub Med explaining all trial participants and future patients receiving the Covid 'shots' should be cautioned that the 'shot' has significant risk of ADE, which would mean a 'vaccinated' person could become more ill with Covid than if they never had the 'shot.'

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33113270/

"Results of the study: COVID-19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, and the data generated in the development and testing of these vaccines suggest a serious mechanistic concern: that vaccines designed empirically using the traditional approach (consisting of the unmodified or minimally modified coronavirus viral spike to elicit neutralising antibodies), be they composed of protein, viral vector, DNA or RNA and irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID-19 disease via antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE). "

49 posted on 04/07/2021 7:52:06 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

“Of course it does not protect you. It was not designed to protect you from becoming infected or spreading infection.“

That’s totally false.
There is ample information out there if you have an interest.


50 posted on 04/07/2021 8:05:38 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hm...looks like the fearmongers want us to:

1. Get vaccinated.
2. Once vaccinated, maintain social distancing.
3. Wear a mask.
4. Wear two masks.

Covid-19 is real. My wife and I are 99.999% sure we had it. No doctor visits, no hospital, no breathing problems. Mine was like a mild head cold, hers was a little more than that, including some aches for a couple of days. Neither one of us are getting the vaccine.


51 posted on 04/07/2021 8:12:43 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DennisR

RE: 1. Get vaccinated.

And yes, get vaccinated again as they discover new variants. This will never end as Covid is not like measles or small pox, it is like the flu, which mutates every so often. Variants will be discovered and vaccines have to keep up.


52 posted on 04/07/2021 8:14:30 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Not persuasive: wordy, shifty and pedantic.

“We believe that the most appropriate and pressing need in society at the present time is to protect the vulnerable, the elderly with comorbid conditions and those in extended care, assisted-living facilities as well as elderly in private homes who have been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus. These individuals face the most risk from this virus. With respect to vaccination then, this is consistent with the notion that all vaccinations should be targeted and not delivered en masse.”

Sure.

Surprisingly, the CDC says that last year those under 30 were more likely to die of pneumonia than covid!

Mighty tired of misrepresentation of the VAERS info...


53 posted on 04/07/2021 8:15:21 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: SeekAndFind

“it is like the flu, which mutates every so often”
Yeah, but it may not have as many possible viable variants as the flu.
I don’t think it does- because of the importance of that spike.

We’ll see.


54 posted on 04/07/2021 8:20:21 PM PDT by mrsmith (US MEDIA: " Every 'White' cop is a criminal! And all the 'non-white' criminals saints!")
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To: BeauBo

“Even if you have had the disease previously, or some vaccine, another vaccine booster shot (or two) would likely further increase immunity some marginal amount.”

I still find it so odd that you are promoting vax the way you are.

That said, people with super strong base level immunity may deal with the virus so quickly that they do not develop antibodies. Those people (me included) don’t need *any* vaccine.

As Dr Cole pointed out in that recent video from Idaho, we have a shortage of vit D blood levels, and a surplus of suppressed base level immunity in the population. So before even beginning to vaccinate, why not do what the Scandinavians do: test vit D blood levels twice annually?

Whatever the cv19vx does for cv19 antibodies, does it suppress immunity against all other diseases, like typical vaccines do?


55 posted on 04/07/2021 8:39:14 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“Or are we ok with shorter wait times?”

Sure. So long as there is no public or private mandate, and so long as we can sue for vaccine injury


56 posted on 04/07/2021 8:42:37 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SecAmndmt

“as we can sue for vaccine injury“

Lawyers are a big reason we have have these delays


57 posted on 04/07/2021 9:09:18 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Leave me alone, I have no incriminating evidence on the Clintons)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“Lawyers are a big reason we have have these delays”

Do the proper testing, or face liability for bad products. Like Vioxx. And cv19 vaccines.


58 posted on 04/07/2021 9:13:00 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Aim small, miss small)
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly. Meanwhile, as long as I do not get a severe case of it, I will trust my body’s immune system to do what it has always done. If I get a severe case (which I do not expect), we have plenty of Ivermectin to get us through. We have four friends (one in her 60s, the other three in their 70s) who got it about the same time we did. Three started taking Ivermectin once they knew they had it. They started feeling better quite quickly. The fourth did not initially take it, and she had a bit of a worse case than the other three. Anecdotal, yes, but significant.


59 posted on 04/07/2021 9:15:56 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The vaccine industry is evil - avoid them like the plague. The REAL PLAGUE

Colloidal silver kills all viruses and bacteria you can make it yourself for free

The government and shills for the government on this website will lie to you about both of these truths

Truth over power


60 posted on 04/07/2021 9:25:45 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (Fraud !!! Now we’re off the TRUMP TRAIN and on the Swamp express to communist hell !! TRUTH! )
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