The Uzi Submachine Gun Is Back

19FortyFive ^ | 1/16/2021 | Peter Suicu

[Thud]

Have they fixed the safety?

[JD_UTDallas]

I also shot the collapsible metal stock version in the service. SRT and the QRF both had access to SMGs namely the MP5SD, MP5K, and two forms of UZI for concealed PSD duty. The larger UZI with a stock is absolute death way out to 100m a well trained agent can and should be able to dump an entire mag into an E silhouette at that distance. We routinely trained out to 100M standing and prone. My former father in law had an UZI with Hebrew markings he was Israeli I never asked how he got it jnto the states he did speak 5 languages and was “on business” out of town half the year or more you get the idea who he worked for.

[kosciusko51]

From “The Night of the Comet”:

[When her MAC-10 jams during target practice]

Samantha Belmont: See, this is the problem with these things. Daddy would have gotten us Uzis.

[.44 Special]

Always liked the M3A1. It was not as rapid as the Uzi, only 425-450 rpm, but it was very controllable once you got used to it. Due to the mass of the bolt and being straight blow back you could here the gun accelerate in firing til it came up to speed. It had a trajectory like a mortar and was no use past a hundred yards. Lethal a close range but very heavy. An M2 would have been my choice had not the M14 been available.

[Zathras]

Daddy would have gotten us Uzi’s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnjiy85ExcA

[Mrs. Warrior]

Indeed. But when you deal with a real target, they tend not to stand still while doing funny things. Aim for what you can see, the biggest part is most likely to payoff. Multiple hits and rapid position change/moving off line to cover etc.

Pound the threat (s) mercilessly until it stops. With bullets that will and ought to stop it.

[Mrs. Warrior]

I like the medium bores for longer range and terminal ballistics, but for 0-300m, (most common combat range in all scenarios,) the fast recovering relatively capable 556 heavy bullet carbine suffices very well.

Of course, every scenario has its own variables, so for me I plan on three circumstances.

1. Immediate response with a pistol (because I wear one almost all the time). A 40 or 45 cal with at least one reload, and not a tiny little lingerie piece but a fighting tool.

2. The AR 556 carbine loaded with stout 62 to 77 grain tough but frangible bullets (like IMI razor core/MK262, or 62 grn M/LE Barnes etc) set up with a medium power variable optic or a decent red dot.

3. 308 or heavier 30 cal set up for mid to long range with a high power optic and accoutrements for such work.

Oh, the shotgun? somewhere just in case I need to shoot a bunny or a bird for dinner.

the subgun? eh.

My opinion, based on a lifetime of military and private type learning. Yours may vary. La Libertie!

[SJSAMPLE]

Per USC Section 7, IX (b), you were obligated to use the word “venerable” in any sentence containing “M1911”.

[Bobibutu]

While working & traveling in Nam - ‘66 -’72 - I often saw a loaded Uzi on the desk of COs & other officers in the bases and compounds visited from the Delta to the DMZ. Quite a popular choice there & then.

[RC one]

yeah, 5.56mm has its place. I'm not its biggest fan though. It isn't that I don't like it, I just like 7.62 a lot better. It is extremely accurate and versatile. You can't carry as much of it as easily at least but I don't ever see myself needing to carry a lot of it.

I have seen a 7.62 nearly amputate a man's leg at mid thigh. It was a FMJ round at close range. I have seen one of those same rounds go through pretty much every wall of a house and through the bathtub and probably 30 classic rock vinyl albums.

what disappoints me about 7.62 rifles is that you lose so much velocity in carbine length barrels (even worse for 5.56 rifles) so that got me working up a load for 125-130 grain projectiles. When I stopped, I had a Nosler 125 grain ballistic tip projectile leaving the barrel at just under 3,000 fps. It shot about 1" at 100 yards which is not as good as the 168 grain bullets were shooting but they were too slow IMO. I feel like I could work up to the next accuracy node and get below 1 moa but I stopped. 1" is good enough and 125 grain at 3,000 fps is 3,387 ft/lbs of energy-equivalent to a 30/06 and approaching a 300 win mag. and double the energy of M855 ball ammo. From a 16" barrel semi-auto rifle.

I never got a chance to chrony them out of my 24" rifle. That would be interesting. I call that rifle penny cutter. This was with the 168 gr A MAX. Granted, I was shooting a lot back then-back when Obummer was pres. I have seen 5.56 shoot just as accurately at 100 yards at least. Accuracy is pretty important IMO.

[Mrs. Warrior]

Sorry, didnt log off my wife’s account, she will be confused to say the least!

Anyway, I like the 30 cal and have used it in mostly bolt gins. In practice, the 30s tend to have triple the amount of blast and recoil in addition to not much more useable range from a carbine. I use an AR15 A4 clone for hi power service rifle use in competition and it is capable of sub MOA groups out to 600 yds. I, unfortunately, am not any longer it seems.

I too have seen some bad wounds from varying calibers. The 556 with late model rounds at reasonable range does some damage. The 30s, well, with JHP (OTMs) they act like FMJs past about 200m. The idea of being perforated by any bullet when you’ve seen what any one does makes for a cover seeking mentality!

Regards,

Manly Warrior ( Mrs. Warriors other half).

[W.]

But of course! I worked at a gun shop when I was 19 (1974), and bought a new .22lr Colt Conversion Unit for my pistol. Cost the princely sum of $69.95... Way cool, it used the Williams floating chamber to kick the slide open, worked great. I rolled my own CF ammo but loved the .22, it was 50 cents a box back then! Old shooters remember them days...had a Remington 550 that use that same chamber setup, it would also fire short, long, and long rifle ammo mixed up, 18 rounds of lr to start...