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Time to consider a plan B -- the political realities of North America require partition into two new countries
original to Free Republic | Nov 6, 2020 | Peter O'Donnell

Posted on 11/06/2020 12:59:50 PM PST by Peter ODonnell

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To: Peter ODonnell

No, because of the islands of blue in a sea of red. You’d need something like the walled off blue core cities in DM Wozniak’s “The Perihelion” series connected to the blue coasts. And limited immigration between the two, so that liberals don’t spread out and bring their ideology with them.


81 posted on 11/06/2020 3:18:09 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Peter ODonnell
States like Michigan and Wisconsin, Georgia and North Carolina are split right down the middle, so there's no way you'll get two viable countries out of the US.

If you split up the US you'll get half a dozen countries, and they'll still have some significant internal urban-rural divides.

Split up the country and you better start learning Mandarin.

学习普通话。

82 posted on 11/06/2020 3:24:54 PM PST by x
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To: Peter ODonnell

I recall that when Quebec was really talking separatism, the most likely scenario would be that this would result in Canada splitting into four... Quebec, the eastern provinces since the separation of Quebec would effectively separate them as well since there was no land bridge, then there would be Ontario and the rest of the provinces further west... however, if the country was being split up anyway, then it was quite possible that the western provinces of BC and Alberta would not stick with Ontario and the other provinces and instead ask to join the U.S. Once one goes down this road, anything can happen.


83 posted on 11/06/2020 3:56:11 PM PST by hecticskeptic
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To: Peter ODonnell

If they want me to ever vote again, they better send this too the house, or re-vote in those states that cheated. And I mean all 6 of them.


84 posted on 11/06/2020 4:25:26 PM PST by poinq
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To: OKSooner
Churchill.

“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.”


85 posted on 11/06/2020 4:59:28 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: DownInFlames

Wow

I’m scared of neither


86 posted on 11/06/2020 5:02:29 PM PST by Phil DiBasquette
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To: Dilbert San Diego
If a strong secession movement took root in some state or region, would we use military force to keep such states or regions in the union today?

A certain Rep. Swalwell is supposed to have said that he would use nuclear weapons in such a scenario. That is a clear answer.


87 posted on 11/06/2020 5:02:58 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: PIF
And the way to stop lefties from moving into the new country and taking over again is ...?

Border enforcement, visa checks in public places. It shouldn't be too difficult.


88 posted on 11/06/2020 5:04:47 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: laxcoach

Vote straight D, you ARE a racist


89 posted on 11/06/2020 5:05:32 PM PST by Phil DiBasquette
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To: magooey

So, do you advocate fighting back against these assholes, or do you advocate breaking up the country?

Your Churchill quote, noble as it is, only serves to confuse that point rather than clarify it.


90 posted on 11/06/2020 5:11:33 PM PST by OKSooner
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To: Mr Fuji
How long you do you think it will be before the cancer population of Chicago, Detroit, Dallas, Houston, Austin, Denver, Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami overrun us again in the middle? ... It appears almost every city over 50k people are people’s republics in the US.

Between COVID and the bloody Antifa anarchy, the cities are beginning to clear out. The leftover population might be less of a problem. And if a new country is made, it is no longer the US. New laws, values, media and universities are possible. Take hold of the ideas that have come in response to an elite that sent so much manufacturing and economic base overseas. They have made it clear that they don't need the American people. The American people should reciprocate. Even if the direction looks on the surface like a Consitutional Restoration, it is also pregnant with many possibilities.


91 posted on 11/06/2020 5:15:31 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: OKSooner
So, do you advocate fighting back against these assholes, or do you advocate breaking up the country?

If we start by breaking up the country, we will likely end up having to fight against the a$$holes because they cannot survive without plundering flyover land and Main Street.

If we start by fighting back against the a$$holes we may end up with winning all, or end up with a negotiated "peace" that splits up the country.

One strategy would be to fight for all and trust in The Lord, though it is unclear what should happen to the cities. Such matters depend on the will of those people who realize the dangers at this juncture.


92 posted on 11/06/2020 5:26:37 PM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

Border enforcement, visa checks in public places. It shouldn’t be too difficult.


And you will need to activate the magic mind reading device - which is to say how does any of those solutions know what’s in a person’s mind and heart? Then, you need to stop all human smuggling as well - so that would be a barrier around the entire territory like DJT’s Wall.


93 posted on 11/07/2020 2:42:11 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
While living in Africa, foreigners were kept out by border enforcement and checking on people in the market place. Every week at least one bus full of illegal aliens was sent to the border. The USA ought to try that sometimes.

Once the USA splits, people from the other side of the border of a newly created State are not citizens.


94 posted on 11/07/2020 6:06:00 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

How do you tell an innocent immigrant from a sneaky leftist? Can you read minds and hearts to know which is which?

Would be a disaster on many levels to split the US. And once it splits what’s to prevent further splits?


95 posted on 11/07/2020 7:22:54 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: PIF
And the way to stop lefties from moving into the new country and taking over again is ...?

This discussion has already posited a new country. Look at what other nations do to secure their people. They don't let massive illegal immigration happen. New residents and visitors are watched. For the extent of this, just ask Edward Snowden. Countries have used vigilance to keep their populations safe. Should it be any different if the political geography of North America changes?


96 posted on 11/07/2020 7:56:21 AM PST by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: magooey

Snowjob should be shot, but not before he’s drawn and quartered after having all fingers, teeth, and toe nails pulled with red hot pincers. Then the body dumped in the Marinas Trench.


97 posted on 11/07/2020 10:17:17 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: Luke21

Spamming what? Do you know what “spam” is?


98 posted on 11/08/2020 8:19:24 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare to survive.)
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