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VANITY: Supreme Court blocks Trump from ending DACA
June 18, 2020 | Street-Lawyer

Posted on 06/18/2020 1:54:34 PM PDT by street_lawyer

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To: Lurking Libertarian
"Yes, the Administrative Procedure Act of 1946."

Thanks.

21 posted on 06/18/2020 2:15:54 PM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Yes, the Administrative Procedure Act of 1946.
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Come on now. You can’t leave us hanging on that comment. You should at least point to the section of the APA-46 that is applicable.

And, when you have some time can you review the case transcript to see if there was any reference by the judges or anyone to the Procedures Act.

OK. You are probably too busy to do all this research but I’m betting you are correct and, at least for me, this is the heart of the matter.


22 posted on 06/18/2020 2:20:40 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: DOC44
"Somebody is pulling a powerful string on Roberts. Compromised."

I want to see Roberts' flight logs.. My spidey sense tells me he's been to Epstein's Island... HE'S GAY and refuses to come out!!!

OBVIOUSLY compromised. Worthy of investigation!

23 posted on 06/18/2020 2:25:17 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: street_lawyer

“In my opinion the reason the Court did not approve of what Trump’s DHS did in reversing what Obama’s DHS did is that 200,000 people “relied” on the deferment, changed their position to their detriment, such as enrolling in degree programs, starting businesses, purchased homes, married and had children.”

I’m sorry. This is reaching for an excuse to not make the obviously proper decision.
This was known to be a TEMPORARY program. If any effected chose to enter into activities -short or long term- that is on them.


24 posted on 06/18/2020 2:27:44 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: sphinx

“Ok: Donald Trump should simply order that all federal spending on K-12 education be converted immediately into school vouchers. When families apply for and receive the voucher, their reliance means the policy is irreversible. ‘

Love your thinking. And it’s spot on.


25 posted on 06/18/2020 2:28:45 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: street_lawyer

We’ve gone straight through equal protection under law on all fronts.

There is selective inception of the law by the legislatures, to favor some groups of citizens and punish others.

There is selective enforcement of law by the executives, where the same action by some people is subject to punishment, while by some others it is not.

There is selective interpretation of the law, where political considerations and mob appeasement subvert justice, and the Constitution itself.

If this were happening on another continent we might call it a soft apartheid.

America can survive with any one of the above still buttressing a functioning basis of a civil society. It cannot survive the destruction of all three.


26 posted on 06/18/2020 2:32:13 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: DOC44

“Somebody is pulling a powerful string on Roberts. Compromised.”

I’ll remove my tin foil do rag for a sec. The timing is problematic. Had this went our way it could bite Trump in the keister in a few months. Both sides need this issue.

This will end up going our way. Whether that means these Illegals get sent packing after or not remains to be seen,


27 posted on 06/18/2020 2:33:09 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: street_lawyer

I’m beginning to believe Roberts is a deep state plant. Remember, 43 is a deep state establishment RINO.


28 posted on 06/18/2020 2:42:44 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (In time of peace, prepare for war.)
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To: street_lawyer

Roberts is a cowardly scumbag. That’s why he went with the libs here. Thomas calls it out for what it is in his dissent.


29 posted on 06/18/2020 2:44:19 PM PDT by Stravinsky
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To: street_lawyer

I for one appreciate comments from people who are more knowledgeable in a field than I, even if I do not agree. I am not afraid of opinions. So many people, including FR, are to the point that you cannot have an intelligent conversation with them. In this case, it seems like DHS can still win if they deal with the procedural stuff.

Regarding Roberts, Obamacare has pretty much sealed his fate. However, I would like to hear your opinion about that as well, if you have the time to reply.


30 posted on 06/18/2020 2:56:13 PM PDT by jrestrepo (“My rights don’t end where your fear begins" - borrowed)
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To: InterceptPoint
Come on now. You can’t leave us hanging on that comment. You should at least point to the section of the APA-46 that is applicable. And, when you have some time can you review the case transcript to see if there was any reference by the judges or anyone to the Procedures Act.

The decision is here. It is all about the Administrative Procedure Act; neither the majority or the dissent relied on anything else.

The APA was enacted in 1946 as a check on unelected bureaucrats. It says (to oversimplify) that if a federal agency (here, it was the Department of Homeland Security) issues a regulation, it must explain what they did and why; the courts can then review the agency's decision if it was "arbitrary and capricious." Here, the DHS just overturned Obama's policy without touching all the APA bases. All 9 justices agreed that DHS can revoke the DACA policy, but the majority said they have to follow the APA procedures first.

31 posted on 06/18/2020 3:10:00 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: street_lawyer

Research needs to be done to find out what the Progressives have on Roberts. He needs to be exposed publicly so that his only option is to resign.


32 posted on 06/18/2020 3:40:38 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet
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The silver lining is the AWAKENING
I had an easy time explaining Roberts decision to a nurse. She was livid
Q pushing awakening is getting real


33 posted on 06/18/2020 3:45:47 PM PDT by drdirt333 (DRDIRT333)
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To: sphinx

He should sign an executive order mandating that the Second Amendment means that every American is REQUIRED to own an semi auto high capacity rifle and 2,000 rounds of ammunition.


34 posted on 06/18/2020 4:02:40 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the video")
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To: Lurking Libertarian
All 9 justices agreed that DHS can revoke the DACA policy, but the majority said they have to follow the APA procedures first.

That seems to be the saving grace for this decision. And hopefully, the DHS is doing just that. The problem is that when this occurs under a Democrat President, nobody will have standing to knock back whatever they decide to do.
35 posted on 06/18/2020 4:31:22 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: street_lawyer

The rule of law is DEAD!

The Supreme Court has upheld that which was never legal.


36 posted on 06/18/2020 4:59:11 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizens Are Born Here of Citizen Parents|Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: street_lawyer

Obama issued the EO setting it up therefore it is the immutable Las of the Land and cannot be changed as Obama was/is the Holy Arbiter of Everything. Altering his Work is Blasphemy.


37 posted on 06/18/2020 5:26:56 PM PDT by arthurus (to;,)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

Much thanks. FR needs more rational analysis like yours.


38 posted on 06/18/2020 5:31:59 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (Ted, you finally endorsed.)
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To: InterceptPoint

Thank you, you’re too kind.


39 posted on 06/18/2020 6:37:08 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: arthurus
Obama issued the EO setting it up therefore it is the immutable Las of the Land and cannot be changed as Obama was/is the Holy Arbiter of Everything. Altering his Work is Blasphemy.

All nine justices agreed that the Department of Homeland Security can revoke Obama's EO. The majority just said that it has to go through the Administrative Procedure Act to do it.

The APA is one of the few protections we have against the decisions of unelected bureaucrats. You should not trash it without thinking through the implications.

40 posted on 06/18/2020 6:44:51 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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