Posted on 06/10/2018 2:26:30 PM PDT by Proud White Trump Supporter
If the House goes to the democrats in November and they impeach, there will be no conviction in the senate. There will be about 58 republican senators after the next election. No way they get 67 votes to convict.
You are correct: Mueller will never willingly shut it down; he’s in too deep. Even if his motives weren’t evil, which they are, he will never admit he was wrong and that there hasn’t actually been any evidence discovered implicating the Trump campaign. He is going to dig in his heels and will fabricate evidence, if necessary, in order to justify his charade.
Pride goeth before a fall.
The senate is a lock for removal. Most of the so called republican senators voted for hillary. McStain and gramnesty are the rule, not the exception.
Sessions was the ‘Insurance Policy’
Sadly I think you are right. Mueller is not enough of a patriot to do the right thing. With the near total corruption of the DOJ, Congress, and the federal courts it will be up to the people to save the country. The deep state needs to be convinced that their conspiracy will ultimately fail. If the Mueller -Rosenstein criminal enterprise should bring forth charges against Trump, we will need to put several million people in the streets of Washington. The deep state must understand that they will not find any peace in destroying President Trump.
The politicians in Washington and the media elites in Washington and New York live in bubbles where they never encounter people who actually support Trump so they may underestimate the danger of trying to remove a legitimately-elected President on frivolous or spurious grounds. Emoluments? Allegations by a porn actress? Using insulting adjectives on Twitter?
Imagine the speeches in Congress in 2019 if the Democrats regain control. Lots of heated rhetoric about Trump being a racist monster...everything the media has been hammering away at since 2015 and which was the basis of Hillary's campaign in 2016. She lost. The public is less naïve than it was in 1973-1974 about the media and its agenda. Even if the media publishes fake polls claiming that the American people want a conviction, it won't fly.
I don't think there is any real danger of Trump being ousted by the impeachment process...but I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats decide violence is justified--remember the attack on the Republican Congressmen last year which could have resulted in 20+ deaths.
Yes! I love Hank’s brand of justice.
“I’m sure there are plenty of Republican politicians who would gladly vote to remove Trump from office, but maybe not if it spells the end of their own career.”
When they can make 10 times as much lobbying after their political career, it’s no wonder repubikans keep bucking their constituents and the will of the people. See paul ryan, for example, introducing more amnesty crap...They just don’t care. They’re bought and paid for.
I think he is working for the people who have the goods (read: bads) on him.
“It has to be shut down by constituted authority, either Congress or the DOJ.”
Yes, Congress, but not the DOJ.
Any investigation targeting the POTUS must be shut down by Congress, not the Executive branch.
Since the DOJ is within the Executive Branch, no DOJ order to force an ending or other outcome favorable to the POTUS, would ever have standing.
Any order by the DOJ not acceptable to the various Congressional oversight committees would simply be overridden and a new investigation launched.
People forget that the political pressure and impetus that launched the investigation came from the impeach-Trump voices in Congress. Just because Congress accepted the form of the investigation being run from within the DOJ, does not mean that the DOJ was ever in the driver’s seat.
If, at the beginning, Congress had not considered Mueller’s team acceptable, they would have launched their own investigation completely independent of the Executive Branch. Fortunately, the DOJ’s offer to hire Mueller and launch an investigation from within the DOJ was accepted by Congress, and quieted all but the loudest calls for impeachment.
These inter branch investigations are almost impossible to shut down and for this very reason many constitutional scholars believe they are unconstitutional. They are always politically motivated and therefore never held accountable to any objective criteria for continuing or concluding investigations - they take on a life of their own - a political life.
Since politics is their life’s blood, it has to be politics that ultimately ends them - in this case, Congress. Basically, legislators need to feel political pressure from their constituents - that voters are tired of it, and consider it nothing but a witch hunt.
I think that is happening - I think the most vocal impeach-Trump fanatics in the Senate and the House, whose energy launched and drove this witch hunt, are losing credibility daily and will eventually find it in their best political interest to find something else to talk about than impeaching and removing the President. Their coup has failed, and a failed coup attempt can cause severe political blowback. As they say, if you shoot the King, you’d better kill him (or something like that).
Meanwhile, Trump and his DOJ must endure until that happens. Any attempt to force a quicker end to the Mueller investigation would only prolong the process by giving justification to claims of obstruction.
Trump won a major victory at the beginning of this witch hunt when he managed to convince Congress that the investigation could be run from within his DOJ. But to extract that concession, he needed to bend over backwards to assure them it would not be run as a whitewash operation. That is why all the attorneys chosen were obvious Trump adversaries - to debunk any claims of whitewash. That’s why Rosenstien, openly adversarial to Trump, was put in charge of administering the investigation. That’s why Jeff Sessions, obviously loyal to Trump, recused himself. All of it was done so that Congress would be more likely to accept the results of the investigation - which Trump always knew would exonerate him - as fully independant, even though run from within Trump’s Executive Branch.
When Mueller’s witch hunt fizzles out over the next few months as I believe it will, having fully absolved the President and his campaign of any wrongdoing, Trump’s deft management of this political coup attempt against him will have to be regarded as truly masterful.
The DOJ (Rosenstein) appointed the Special Counsel and the DOJ can un-appoint the Special Counsel.
“The DOJ (Rosenstein) appointed the Special Counsel and the DOJ can un-appoint the Special Counsel.”
True, they have the authority to do that but it would not end anything - it would only breathe new life into the impeach-Trump political movement that gave rise to the investigation in the first place.
The whole thing is political, and as long as there is political energy behind it, Trump or Trump’s DOJ forcing an end to one investigation would just give rise to a new investigation.
The new investigation would be far worse - it would be independent of the Executive branch and therefore have teeth, and the charges would now include obstruction, and exhibit A of their case for obstruction would be the very fact that he had ordered Mueller and his team to be fired or “un-appointed”. And this time, unlike with Russiagate, they would have a real solid case, because firing the special council would truly be obstructing the investigation, by definition.
Following any such course of action would be the dumbest thing Trump could possibly do - especially now - when he has come so far unscathed and has even succeeded in branding the entire investigation as a witch hunt.
When I hear people on FR demanding that Trump and his DOJ use their executive authority to force an end to the Mueller investigation, rather than letting it die on its own - I really have to wonder whose side these people are really on... do they WANT Trump to take the bait and follow Richard Nixon into this obvious obstruction trap?
Look, is sucks that the deep state exists and has accumulated so much power. It sucks that any POTUS who vows to drain the swamp automatically becomes prime target for a witch hunt. It sucks that the lying press will not report the truth to the American people. It sucks that any attempt to force an end to the witch hunt will be spun as obstruction, and an admission of guilt.
But Trump is handling this just right. He’s not taking the bait. Let him continue to do this the smart way. Take a seat and watch him do his thing. He’s made a successful career out of working around the corrupt bureaucracy and using the dishonest but incredibly stupid media to his advantage - he’s been doing it his whole adult life. He never ran for political office before, but when it comes to politics, this is not his first rodeo.
“When I hear people on FR demanding that Trump and his DOJ use their executive authority to force an end to the Mueller...”
If the DOJ ends the highly corrupt Mueller investigation, you honestly believe there would be a hue and cry from the American people to restart another one? That is ridiculous.
In case you have not been paying attention, all the legal experts cite legal reasons why the Mueller probe is entirely unconstitutional. And I specify legal, since common sense would lead one to the same conclusion. So you are required to contend that an unconstitutional probe is a positive thing.
“If the DOJ ends the highly corrupt Mueller investigation, you honestly believe there would be a hue and cry from the American people to restart another one? That is ridiculous.”
No, the “hue and cry” was never from the American people - it was from the deep state Left, which controls the MSM, the DNC, the GOPe, Academia and much of industry. It’s anti Trump propaganda was enough to launch this witch hunt - what makes you think it can’t launch another one?
Let me ask you this: do you think Rosenstein, Mueller and his team should be fired or un-appointed, as you suggested in your earlier post? Do you think if that had been done, there would have been no more witch hunt?
Because if that’s what you think - therein lies our difference:
Without Mueller, a witch hunt would have still happened - maybe a much worse one.
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