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Worst Battle Ever For US Troops? Marine Corp. Trapped? God Bless Those Who Fought At Chosin.
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Posted on 12/23/2017 8:12:31 PM PST by Djl3668

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To: Djl3668

Our family had two there. Both made it out.


21 posted on 12/23/2017 10:49:10 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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Col. Cal Rhodes: You know, for years, I couldn’t sleep after Korea. My nightmares all had to do with the Chosin Reservoir. The ground there was so frozen, we couldn’t bury our dead. We had to pile ‘em on trucks and lash them up against the tanks. For years I’d wake up with those dead, frozen faces staring at me.

Wilkes: Did it ever go away?

Col. Cal Rhodes: No... I finally made friends with them, though.


22 posted on 12/23/2017 11:13:45 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Sequoyah101

The worst hell ever for any serviceman to fight. I can’t imagine the pain or suffering. This time of year is the worst. Prayers and love from my family to yours.


23 posted on 12/24/2017 12:26:38 AM PST by Djl3668 (Z11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things)
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Better winter clothing now, plus the foods, the heat packs.
I wonder to what degree pun intended the North Korean military has synthetic oils and lubrication in their vehicles.

Or having the very best FLIR equipment. Its much harder to hide heat in the cold, targeting should be easier.


24 posted on 12/24/2017 1:52:13 AM PST by Daniel Ramsey (Thank YOU President Trump, finally we can do what America does best, to be the best)
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To: Djl3668
As someone else mentioned, don't forget about Task Force Faith.

They were on the eastern side of the reservoir, a product of LTG Ned Almond's insistence on dividing forces. IIRC, they were the 31st Infantry Regiment. Their colors repose in a museum in Bejing today, I think.

Those Army troops suffered every bit as much as the Marines -- but in part because of their losses, the full story took decades to emerge. Even the Army didn't want to complete the official history of their struggle. It came out as the book "East of Chosin", IIRC.

25 posted on 12/24/2017 2:28:01 AM PST by Sam_Damon
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To: Djl3668

F-I-L, USMC (ret.) was there.

It stayed with him for the rest of his life.


26 posted on 12/24/2017 2:46:23 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Zhang Fei

Yes, I watched that documentary on Netflix. A gripping story that’s been overlooked and a travesty how that particular regiment was thrown into battle, then essentially abandoned by senior commanders and had to fight their way out. It’s a wonder that there were any survivors at all from those units.


27 posted on 12/24/2017 2:59:26 AM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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A gripping story that’s been overlooked and a travesty how that particular regiment was thrown into battle, then essentially abandoned by senior commanders and had to fight their way out.

It was triage. You could save 2.5K Army personnel or you could save 30K Marines. The Army guys drew the short straw. What was worse - the Army guys were outnumbered 8 to 1 vs the Marines being outnumbered 3 to 1. IMO, the problem wasn't leadership - Maclean and Faith were given the job of the 300 - fighting against overwhelming odds without the high command even realizing what they were up against, due to the fog of war - and they did a superb job with what they had. But fighting a skilled opponent with 8 to 1 numerical superiority in that opponent's favor, using a force composed mostly of green troops* who were cut off and mostly resupplied from the air, was always going to result in extremely high casualties. The real kicker is how TFF veterans were treated after this epic stand - as soldiers who ran from the fight.

* They were fortunate that Chinese logistics were even crappier. If PVA had anything like American logistics, both TFF and the two Marine divisions would have been swept off the map. Heck, unless Truman resorted to nukes, Kim Jong-un would rule over a unified Korea today.

28 posted on 12/24/2017 3:49:06 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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I had the honor of meeting a few guys that were combat vets of WWII, Korea and Viet Nam. They said Korea was the absolute Worse Ever.
29 posted on 12/24/2017 5:08:45 AM PST by SisterK (its a spiritual war)
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To: gaijin

I can’t imagine fighting, let alone surviving under those cold conditions, the constant cold itself is demoralizing......


30 posted on 12/24/2017 5:26:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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Thanks for posting, I’d never heard of that battle. The DVD is at my public library, I’ll pick it up next week......


31 posted on 12/24/2017 5:27:29 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (My cat is not fat, she is just big boned........)
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To: TADSLOS
Yes, I watched that documentary on Netflix.

Do you remember the name of that documentary? Have Netflix and I would love to watch it.

32 posted on 12/24/2017 6:19:15 AM PST by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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To: Djl3668

Thank-you...


33 posted on 12/24/2017 7:26:18 AM PST by ThomasPaine2000 (Peace without freedom is tyranny.)
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To: Comment Not Approved
Actually, I was incorrect. I watched it on Amazon Prime.

Task Force Faith

34 posted on 12/24/2017 9:12:56 AM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
My father-in-law, a veteran of Pearl Harbor, Tinian, Saipan, Eniwetok and Iwo Jima, hated McArthur with a passion.

There's a bit of irony there, given that Nimitz was in charge of those campaigns, whereas MacArthur was charged with operations in the South Pacific, which cost far fewer casualties. Liberal historians have always hated MacArthur with a passion, because he dared stand up to Truman.

It was Truman who made the Korean War much higher casualty than it could have been. By allowing US aircraft to attack both sides of the Yalu River, he might have been able to starve Chinese forces on the Korean peninsula of supplies, leading to their wholesale defeat and capture. Instead, he directed pilots to attack only units on the Korean side of the border, meaning anti-aircraft units on the Chinese side were free to fire at American warplanes trying to to interdict Chinese supply convoys. Just how could American fighters and bombers stop supply convoys in an era of unguided bombs and gun systems while the enemy got free shots at them? The answer is they never did, which is why the PVA went on to the 38th parallel and could not be dislodged.

Truman was an overrated incompetent who got encomiums for nothing. He lost China. He lost North Korea. But he won a place in the history books for being this great leader. Just goes to show you can't trust the opinions of historians.

35 posted on 12/24/2017 5:29:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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