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Appeals court upholds I-77 toll project
The Greensboro News & Record ^ | May 2, 2017 | Doug Clark

Posted on 05/07/2017 9:07:44 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

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To: Dr. Sivana

your point ?


21 posted on 05/07/2017 5:35:03 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: vooch
your point ?

If government got out of the road building business, the roads might not get built in the best places or at all. Someone with the resources gave it a try, and got hounded out, and not by government.
22 posted on 05/07/2017 7:05:28 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Tax-chick

So Y’All “Southsiders” started this whole mess;)

I wish we could just lineup all these idiot ploticians and shoot them so we can start with a clean slate and REAL PEOPLE!


23 posted on 05/07/2017 7:54:13 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Progress- the opposite of congress)
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To: Dr. Sivana

we already have more than enough interstates and highways. Drivers consistently refuse to pay for new interstates.

Highway Socialism hasn’t worked. Let’s try the Free Market.


24 posted on 05/07/2017 8:16:35 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: vooch

>Highway Socialism hasn’t worked. Let’s try the Free Market.

Free market roads have been tried for a long time. They don’t really work well. Transportation grid socialism has a long proven track record of success. Sure it’s inefficient and often corrupt but there just isn’t a strong enough economic incentive to develop general infrastructure from the free market to make free market solution superior.

China went through a long period of civilization decline around 100AD where governments no longer maintained the roads. Instead of private individuals stepping up to build toll roads the Chinese instead turned to clever wheel barrows to transport goods on roads no longer suitable for wagons. Thus there was a strong personal economic incentive to innovate in transport types but not a strong personal economic incentive to build a working road system.

The free market is a wonderful thing, but it can’t solve all problems effectively.


25 posted on 05/07/2017 8:27:55 PM PDT by RedWulf
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To: RedWulf

“..The free market is a wonderful thing, but it can’t solve all problems effectively...”

so mispricing use of interstates is a good thing ?

as long as you have gov’t interstates, their use is going to be mispriced. Why don’t you trust the free market when it comes to interstates ?

why do you believe soviet style central planning is successful for interstates but not for grocery stores or airlines or housing or ships ?


26 posted on 05/07/2017 9:35:53 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: vooch

>as long as you have gov’t interstates, their use is going to be mispriced. Why don’t you trust the free market when it comes to interstates ?

> Why don’t you trust the free market when it comes to interstates ?

For the same reason that I don’t trust the free market when it comes to mass immigration and free trade. It’s optimizes for producing the cheapest goods in the short term without any interest in creating long term efficiencies thus it favors shipping our factories to China and replacing American works with 3ed worlders.

Successful industrial nations all practiced and still practice tariffs to increase industry for long term gains. The free market works against such long term gains. Successful industrial nations all built their road and railroad systems using public goods because the free market doesn’t work to create that needed infrastructure on it’s own.

Markets are for setting prices and regulating business success or failure. That’s all their useful for. I don’t understand while some people who worship free markets in areas were they’ve proven unsuccessful over and over again.


27 posted on 05/07/2017 9:48:13 PM PDT by RedWulf
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To: mabarker1

Really. Throw the bums out!


28 posted on 05/08/2017 3:26:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("We tend to retreat into cheap moralizing when economic realities become uncomfortable.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Calabria cited the higher court from 1965 in an opinion authored by Justice Susie Sharp: "A person uses a toll road at his option; if he does not use it, he pays no toll. Taxes are levied for the support of government, and their amount is regulated by its necessities. Tolls are the compensation for the use of another's property or improvements made, and their amount is determined by the cost of the property or improvements."

I wonder if this rocket scientist is familiar with two other taxes, a gas tax and a sales tax?

29 posted on 05/08/2017 3:42:31 AM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Calabria cited the higher court from 1965 in an opinion authored by Justice Susie Sharp: "A person uses a toll road at his option; if he does not use it, he pays no toll. Taxes are levied for the support of government, and their amount is regulated by its necessities. Tolls are the compensation for the use of another's property or improvements made, and their amount is determined by the cost of the property or improvements."

I wonder if this rocket scientist is familiar with two other taxes, a gas tax and a sales tax?

30 posted on 05/08/2017 3:43:07 AM PDT by gogeo (When your life is based on a false premise...you are indeed insane.)
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To: RedWulf

Shipping our factories to East Asia had zero to do with the free market. It was a insane scheme by the globalists.

mass immigration also has nothing to do with the free market, it’s entirely dependent on lavish welfare benefits created by socialism.

You do know that our canals & railways & NYC subways were built by private enterprise and as long as they were unregulated provided top notch service with ever declining prices ?


31 posted on 05/08/2017 5:00:58 AM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: vooch

>Shipping our factories to East Asia had zero to do with the free market. It was a insane scheme by the globalists.

It’s the natural extension of the free market. Companies that failed to ship their factories to east Asia went under while companies that shipped them got rich. That’s the free market it in action. Of course such actions makes everyone poorer in the US in the long run but that’s outside the realm of the free market.

>You do know that our canals & railways & NYC subways were built by private enterprise and as long as they were unregulated provided top notch service with ever declining prices ?

And you can make a profit doing that type of work in a tightly compacted city. Not so much with a port, long distance roads, or long distance railroads. There’s not enough profit in building such things for the free market to provide them.

Here’s the other way you can look at this issue. A government makes more tax revenue by increasing infrastructure if that infrastructure pulls in more commerce and trade because governments are more effective at collecting revenue from over all wealth increases than are private individuals. This gives them an economic incentive to create such improvements where a private individual has little to gain in the short term by them.


32 posted on 05/08/2017 10:21:06 AM PDT by RedWulf
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To: sauropod

Call it normalcy bias. I usually do not drive that stretch of I-95.


33 posted on 05/08/2017 11:16:57 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (The GOP-e: supporting the Democrat agenda)
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To: RedWulf

ports ?

many ports are owned by private enterprise and nicely profitable

ditto airports

and highways


34 posted on 05/08/2017 11:49:24 AM PDT by vooch (America First)
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To: vooch

Really, which port is privately constructed and operated?


35 posted on 05/08/2017 5:46:53 PM PDT by RedWulf
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To: RedWulf

charleston harbor


36 posted on 05/08/2017 6:48:37 PM PDT by vooch (America First)
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