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Solution to Trump’s H1B visa restrictions is to shift from outsourcing towards ‘nearshoring’
The Sociable ^ | February 14, 2017 | Alejandro Vasquez, VP of Business Development at PSL Software in Colombia.

Posted on 02/14/2017 6:10:43 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 02/14/2017 6:10:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have worked in IT for 30 years. No raises in the last 10. Many friends out of jobs that have 20 years experience. However, meanwhile people from China, India, etc are filling the jobs. Paid about 30% of the going rate.

STOP H1B visas NOW!


2 posted on 02/14/2017 6:20:33 PM PST by BereanBrain
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They could try hiring all the unemployed US CITIZENS in IT and engineering that are out of work due to outsourcing. Most would take a paycut from their last position. Nah, that would make too much sense.

Logic doesn't matter anyway. Offshore dev rarely works and ends up costing more in re-work, extremely detailed specs and micromanagement and on and on and on. Everyone knows it, but it gets certain scumbags promotions and bonuses to implement 'outsourcing.' And before the SHTF they move on to another victim.
3 posted on 02/14/2017 6:24:04 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
as Indian IT firms increase their US hires, they will undoubtedly face cost pressures, making their overall rates less attractive.

In other words, H1B brings in low cost tech workers to hold down costs. Forced to hire Americans, they will be forced to pay higher wages. Of course. No kidding. Getting Americans back to work is the idea. Replacing them with foreign workers is a bad idea.

As for offshoring the work, if they can do it of course they will. If they can do it they are already doing it.

There are reasons why all IT and engineering can never be offshored. Time zone differences is only the least of it. Losing face-to-face control of your project is a big deal. And frankly there are cultural issues that mean hidden costs and complexities to an all-foreign work force.

Companies that have tried to offshore engineering work quickly find out what those problems are, and usually start bringing it back. Some will always be offshored.

I should point out that when you do work overseas, most countries insist on "technology transfer", which is to say, use their people as much as possible so they can become competent in the skills it takes to build and run the project.

It is reasonable for the US to insist that on projects built in the US, the same ideas hold. Use American workers and techs where possible, so that the knowledge is passed on and developed generation to generation, here. The worst part of offshoring work isn't the loss of payroll, its the loss of technical knowhow for younger people who would never be hired and never be trained.

4 posted on 02/14/2017 6:24:05 PM PST by marron
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Re: “Hence, the scarcity of technical talent in the US is only going to get worse...”

100% bunk!

Pay a higher salary.

Poof - the USA talent “scarcity” will disappear tomorrow.


5 posted on 02/14/2017 6:25:00 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

H1B, L1, off-shore, near-shore are all bad and undermine American workers. Invest in our citizens.


6 posted on 02/14/2017 6:28:48 PM PST by Reno89519 (Drain the Swamp is not party specific. Lyn' Ted is still a liar, Good riddance to him.)
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Just a guy trying to push his people for employment.

Makes more sense then importing the totally alien and unrelated Indian subcontinent.

But still the big point is....HIRE AMERICANS AND END H1B


7 posted on 02/14/2017 6:31:26 PM PST by Regulator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Consider the source of the article. His change the H1B language mantra sounds alot like calling illegal immigrants undocumented workers. The H1B program just needs to go away.


8 posted on 02/14/2017 6:35:57 PM PST by TADSLOS (Reset Underway!)
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To: BereanBrain
"SCRUM"

??????

9 posted on 02/14/2017 6:37:05 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: zeestephen

That’s what I was going to say - there’s no “scarcity of technical talent”, there’s a scarcity of technical talent that’s willing to work for third-world wages.


10 posted on 02/14/2017 6:37:13 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Paladin2
Scrum - another buzzword popular among the Morons With MBAs™.
11 posted on 02/14/2017 6:37:59 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: BereanBrain

And that “cheap” 30% offshore rate isn’t the bargain it’s made out to be. You get what you pay for, and if you pay for local jobs you will sell more local product. Win win


12 posted on 02/14/2017 6:40:54 PM PST by JTHomes (Government is force.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Clearly....

"Scrum is a feedback-driven empirical approach which is, like all empirical process control, underpinned by the three pillars of transparency, inspection, and adaptation. All work within the Scrum framework should be visible to those responsible for the outcome: the process, the workflow, progress, etc. In order to make these things visible, Scrum Teams need to frequently inspect the product being developed and how well the team is working"

13 posted on 02/14/2017 6:42:38 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spellcheck. It's too much work to undo the auto wrong word substitution on mobile devices.)
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To: zeestephen

Exactly. Pay a good rate for US tech grads, and within 2-3 years any shortage will be forever gone.


14 posted on 02/14/2017 6:50:50 PM PST by rb22982
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nobody seems to have connected the dots between the numbers of H1B visas and the attendant low salaries in technical jobs - real engineering as well as IT.
So countless hours and dollars are spent trying to lure high school students into “STEM” career paths that don’t pay significantly more than, say, secondary education or “business administration” jobs requiring far lighter and less rigorous college course loads.

People aren’t stupid: why kill yourself studying engineering for 5 years when some Paki with a degree from the University of LaHore will come in and work for what a carpenter makes?


15 posted on 02/14/2017 6:52:25 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D. - What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: StolarStorm

Your second paragraph made me smile and laugh. How true!

I’ve spent the last three years managing a software system with interminable problems- creating daily inefficiencies, with cascading effects on staff management and other processes- thanks to the cost-savings we achieved by using Infosys.

Conference calls scheduled at 4:00am EST, “Can you repeat that? I couldn’t quite understand” every other sentence...


16 posted on 02/14/2017 7:15:51 PM PST by Señor Presidente
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To: BereanBrain

STOP H1B visas NOW!>>>. It took me months to recover an $8M duplicate check file that was a result of a abend/restart. They are bright and agreeable but still the “C” team.


17 posted on 02/14/2017 7:19:50 PM PST by kvanbrunt2 (all your base are belong to us)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I was working, we tried Chileans. They weren’t very good, and you could never find them when you needed them.


18 posted on 02/14/2017 7:22:49 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: Señor Presidente

A part of me says that the Pakistanis have to struggle harder to get where they are as there are so many of them + Indians from poorer countries. They may be more hungry while we are more lazy. Still, we owe it to American workers first. As for the less skilled? Throw them out now! That includes dishwashers in the Mexican restaurants. Combine it with an elimination of welfare. Problem solved. The initial hits to our economy could hurt the GOP unfortunately.


19 posted on 02/14/2017 7:27:13 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Once management makes the decision to go H1B or offshore, they won’t hire an American if he’d agree to work for $4.50 / hour.


20 posted on 02/14/2017 9:05:35 PM PST by Campion (Halten Sie sich unbedingt an die Lehre!)
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