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Revolutionary steel treatment paves the way for radically lighter, stronger, cheaper cars
GizMag ^ | December 10, 2015 | Loz Blain

Posted on 04/18/2016 12:15:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 04/18/2016 12:15:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Interesting. I’ve sent this to my son, the metallurgist. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 04/18/2016 12:22:03 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m curious as to the corrosion resistance if any.


3 posted on 04/18/2016 12:24:26 AM PDT by enduserindy (Republican's have sold the path, not lost it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I read about this in Atlas Shrugged.


4 posted on 04/18/2016 12:25:12 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: enduserindy
"I’m curious as to the corrosion resistance if any."

Yes!
5 posted on 04/18/2016 1:16:00 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: GilesB

Reardon Metal?


6 posted on 04/18/2016 1:35:12 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m confused...what does this article have to do with Ted Cruz?


7 posted on 04/18/2016 2:09:40 AM PDT by FightforFreedomCA (...and I don't care.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If this pans out, the U.S. Steel industry will be revitalized. Thanks for posting this.


8 posted on 04/18/2016 2:39:50 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: FightforFreedomCA

“I’m confused...what does this article have to do with Ted Cruz?”

Apparently there is some controversy about the poster being a paid operative of Cruz (who knows?), and the suggestion would be that paid operatives, having little credibility, try to throw in some neutral sounding stuff to misdirect from the mercenary nature of the agency.


9 posted on 04/18/2016 3:04:22 AM PDT by Gratia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stronger, lighter airplanes perhaps?


10 posted on 04/18/2016 3:10:14 AM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I know enough about metallurgy to be dangerous from past careers. I'd love to see the structure ( under a microscope ) of this metal after the process.

I'd like to compare it too:

* 4130 Chromemoly
* The Structure of steels after Cryogenic processing
* And, Austempered Ductile Iron (ADI) which has a weird niche of a being a decent casted crankshaft material.

ADI is not Bainite read this from the link prvided: "The preponderance of information on the austempering of steel and the superficial similarities between the austempering heat treatments applied to steels and ADI, have resulted in comparisons which are incorrect and damaging to the understanding of the structure and properties of ADI. ADI is sometimes referred to as "bainitic Ductile Iron", but correctly heat treated ADI contains little or no bainite. Bainite consists of a matrix of acicular (plate-like) ferrite and carbide. ADI’s ausferrite matrix is a mix of acicular ferrite and carbon stabilized austenite. This ausferrite may resemble bainite metallographically, however it is not because it contains few or none of the fine carbides characteristic in bainite. An ausferrite matrix will only convert to bainite if it is over tempered."

http://www.ductile.org/didata/Section4/4intro.htm#Crankshafts

I wonder with this process if they are almost nitriting with the heat ( total thickness however ) and then almost cryo-ing with the water bath.

Interesting, and yes Aircraft applications would be interesting...

11 posted on 04/18/2016 3:53:35 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Monkey, not my Circus...)
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To: enduserindy
I’m curious as to the corrosion resistance if any.

Always a major issue to deal with. Not much value to a super strong & light steel with a very short lifespan of structural integrity due to corrosion!

12 posted on 04/18/2016 4:35:14 AM PDT by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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Since we are living through the rest of Atlas Shrugged, we might as well get Reardon metal.


13 posted on 04/18/2016 4:38:26 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Somebody who agrees with me 80% of the time is a friend and ally, not a 20% traitor. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ExSES

“Always a major issue to deal with. Not much value to a super strong & light steel with a very short lifespan of structural integrity due to corrosion!”

Automotive steel is covered with anti-corrosion coatings. Remove them, and rust will ensue. I don’t believe any steel in current automotive use is particularly corrosion resistant.

It sounds as though the Army is on board, and its requirements are likely much more stringent than those of automakers.


14 posted on 04/18/2016 4:50:52 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Cruz or Trump '16! JUST NOT A DEM!!!)
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To: Pollster1; JohnnyP

Sure sounds like it doesn’t it?


15 posted on 04/18/2016 4:57:03 AM PDT by GilesB
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's now being tested by three of the world's five largest car manufacturers, who are finding they can produce thinner structural car components that are between 30-50 percent lighter and cheaper than the steel they've been using, while maintaining the same performance is crash tests.

In other words, the steel is lighter and stronger pound for pound, but your car won't necessarily be stronger -- or safer. It'll only be lighter.

I think one of the reasons grown-ups prefer heavier vehicles in the first place is their perception that a heavy vehicle is safer than a light vehicle in a collision.

Great news for racing, though. And with any luck, car prices will slow their race to the stratosphere.

16 posted on 04/18/2016 5:18:51 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cool.


17 posted on 04/18/2016 5:24:27 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does it still rust?


18 posted on 04/18/2016 5:32:24 AM PDT by D Rider
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Here in the NE It would rust through by Christmas.


19 posted on 04/18/2016 5:34:45 AM PDT by Flintlock (The ballot box STOLEN, our soapbox taken away--the BULLET BOX is left us.)
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To: Chainmail

Heat, then cool.

Little heat treating joke for you.

L


20 posted on 04/18/2016 5:38:27 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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