He is eligible, but the Trumpsters don’t really care about that, just care about harming a “rival”.
Trump is willing to sell out my engine for Iowa corn votes. Screw him. Ethanol is the single stupidest thing this country has recently gotten into.
Exactly. The "desperate times need desperate measures" argument only applies if there are no reasonable alternatives to the desperate measures. It's not like Cruz is the only available choice. Common sense dictates that the only indisputable definition of "natural-born citizen" has to be birth in the US to 2 US-citizen parents. All other definitions are open to endless BS about the "true meaning," "real intent", etc.
Personally, I’ve become convinced that if it were ever to make it to a higher court, Ted would fail to meet the criteria for NBC if the spirit of our laws were to be maintained. Also, just something about having a President born in another country rubs me the wrong way. I see the tired argument made time and time again that the Founders weren’t US citizens, but that ignores the fact that they were all born in territories that joined the US at its formation. (I’m ignoring Obama birtherism here, since the charge that he was born in Kenya has gone largely unproved, and I never voted for him anyway and try not to make decisions or rationalizations based on what libs are doing.)
I like Ted and I think he has a useful purpose to serve in government, and I’ll vote for him if he gets the nod. But I would hate for the nominee to make it all the way through the convention and then be disqualified, so my Florida primary ballot will go to Trump.
I don’t think he’s natural born, and therefore eligible.
But even if he were natural born and therefore eligible, I don’t think he’s the constitutionalist that his reputation suggests he is. And neither are his competitors in the GOP field. Personally, I think they’re all liberals.
Vanity 99 on this topic
You don’t care anymore yet post a vanity on it
I’m feeling Joe Wilson vibe
No offense, but it doesn’t matter what you, I or anyone Posting here thinks. We are not Judges in a Court of Law.
I keep reading all the wasted Keystrokes blaming Trump for making this an issue, but it doesn’t matter what he thinks either. Cruz has brought this upon himself, putting a Bullseye on his back so to speak.
The DemoncRats have been waiting with baited breath for the moment to pounce on Cruz’s Eligibility, starting with DemoncRat Allan Grayson but probably before even he mentioned it way back when.
As far as I’m concerned, better to get it out of the way during the Primaries rather than being an issue with a run up to the General Election. Obama has way too many Liberal Judges in his arsenal for us to think that there won’t be a problem if Cruz becomes the Republican Nominee.
I am a Cruz guy, but I think he underestimates the enemy, and by Enemy I don’t mean any other Republicans running against him. Just because he says it isn’t an issue, doesn’t make it so, it is stuck to him like white on rice.
People compare this to Obama and dismiss it out of hand, but Obama was Born in Hawaii to a United States Citizen Mother. Cruz was not born in the United States although his Mother was a Citizen as well.
Now we hear Cruz’s Mother may have had dual Citizenship due to her allegedly Voting in a Canadian Election.
Rehashing this on multiple FR Threads doesn’t move the Ball one inch down the Field. The chips will fall where they may.
Just to be clear, I believe Cruz is eligible, but my handle here is Kickass Conservative, not Attorney General Kickass Conservative or Judge Kickass Conservative.
Just my $.02, your Mileage may vary.
Comparing Obama to Cruz, their birthplace is hardly relevant to how they turned out. Alleged to have been born in Hawaii, Obama grew up in a very different culture outside the USA and most of his values are diametrically opposite of ours. Cruz was born in Canada, but his upbringing and his values fit mainstream America.
Jus Soli vs Jus Sanguinis -two types of citizenship
A “natural born subject†is not equivalent to a “natural born citizenâ€. Why? Because of Royalty. A natural subject of the King was anyone born within his domain if they weren’t born to foreign representatives or to the women of foreign invaders, or mere foreign visitors who went into labor before returning across the sea to their homeland.
The right of the King to view all persons born within his controlled realm as his subjects was based on the principle of the Divine Right Of Kings. That philosophy viewed the King’s authority as being divinely ordained, and his royal rights viewed to be supreme over all.
Kings were only constrained by the moral laws of the Church and the restrictions imposed by the nobility class which was enraged at the ego-maniacal excesses of monarchs who were corrupted absolutely by absolute power.
In the newly formed United States, there was the principle of individual freedom and the right of self-governance, which replaced the Divine Right of Kings. As a result, there was no equivalent in U.S. governance, -no Divine Right of Presidents, no Royal Sovereign Government. So subjects of kings were not the equivalent of citizens of a free democratic republic. Such citizens were not property of the government, they did not belong to the government, rather, the government belonged to them and they were sovereign over it! Just the opposite of the Monarch’s view of his subjects.
Just as free subjects of Britain were born into the same class as their parents, inheriting national membership by descent from a British father, so it became the common law principle in the United States. Prior to that point, colonial subjects were like the peasant class in Britain which was bound to the land that they “rented†from the Lord of the Manor estate.
https://h2ooflife.wordpress.com/jus-soli-origins/
I’m interested in Jefferson quotes, but don’t accept them as authoritative. For starters, I was taught in my logic class that the “argument from authority” is a fallacy. Secondly, I’ve read that Jefferson was all over the map in his beliefs.
I’m not sure we should accept a principle of ignoring the Constitution. On the other hand, we ignore the tenth amendment all the time, so why be Constitutional sticklers now? Many have no problem will illegal immigration. So concern about breaking the law is optional. Questions about Obama’s ineligibility were ignored from the start. Give President Cruz a year or two in office before he has to answer “birthers.”
I don’t know that Cruz is ineligible. I do know that a liberal Republican in the White House can do as much harm as a liberal Democrat.