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How the Pilgrims Repented of Socialism and Gave Thanks:Rush Limbaugh's Revisionist History
Faith and American History ^ | 11/25/2015 | Robert Tracy McKenzie, professor and chair of the Department of History at Wheaton College.

Posted on 11/25/2015 5:30:11 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: Brilliant

No, but I’ll bet Brian Williams was.


21 posted on 11/25/2015 9:50:44 PM PST by jmacusa
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, I read both the McKenzie and Limbaugh accounts.

McKenzie fancies himself an historical purist, and looks down on Rush from his academic perch and finds him wanting. Ultimately he concludes that the reason for Thanksgiving was to thank God for a bountiful harvest.

Rush wants to introduce and educate young children to the concepts of socialism, free market capitalism, and a strong belief in the Almighty. Ultimately he concludes that Thanksgiving was to thank God for a bountiful harvest.

Rush is writing for today, while McKenzie is stuck in his Ivory Tower cobwebs.


22 posted on 11/26/2015 2:38:43 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: sarasmom

RE: Perhaps you should seek another venue for your endeavors?

Sorry, I disagree. This is the EXACT VENUE for this endeavor. And it’s Thanksgiving, that is why I posted this topic. For discussion and to learn about which understanding of history is more accurate.

Now as for you, if you don’t like this thread, I respectfully suggest you ignore it.

RE: That opinion is correct, since I think you are an idiot,

I have a mind to inform the moderator of your hostile behavior and name calling. You are already breaking the rules of this forum, but in the spirit of thanksgiving, I will ignore this insult.

But my patience will not last long. If you persist in name calling, the moderator will be informed using the ABUSE link, and we shall see who he/she kicks out.

RE: and I have no desire to be “helpful”

Then why bother coming to this thread? Go to some other one.

RE: to spreading your inane opinions, unchecked.

OK, since you used the word “inane”, I’s like you to tell me clearly and logically what portion of my post meets the above adjective. This thread is about learning from one’s mistakes, so you can be helpful here.

But up to this point, you are not.

RE: We posters here are not nearly as stupid as you appear to think we are...

I never called anyone stupid. Search the word in this thread and the only one who uses the word is a poster named sarasmom.

If there is anyone who started the hostility, it was you.


23 posted on 11/26/2015 5:13:28 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: smoothsailing

Thank you for reading the post and for your comments.

Yes, both of them do conclude that Thanksgiving was to thank God for a bountiful harvest.

The main disagreement that author has with Rush is his contention that the Pilgrims and William Bradford’s government were not exactly “free market” in the way Rush described it and he presents historical data to prove it.

My personal contention on the other hand is this — it is UNFAIR to expect them to understand the total concept of free market capitalism. They were not economists after all, and they had to slowly learn how to put it in action after realizing their mistakes.

However, even a small step towards the free market and away from socialism worked well for the colony. Imagine how much more bountiful and prosperous the economy would have been had there been minimal intervention from their government...

This one, the author does not address.

In other words, Rush’s thesis — that free market enterprise leads to more prosperity than socialism has not been rebutted ( although I think that was not the writer’s intent ).


24 posted on 11/26/2015 5:20:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Rush is writing KIDS BOOKS. The goal is to introduce them to the concepts, not the ivy tower minutiae that would make it perfect. I read the article, I’ve heard Rush’s rendition several times on air, Rush ISN”T wrong. He merely simplifies ideas so kids can understand.

But I assume poking at Rush is one way to get your bemused writings noticed in the world.


25 posted on 11/26/2015 5:40:19 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: SeekAndFind; sarasmom

Shouldn’t you be in your safe space?


26 posted on 11/26/2015 5:55:16 AM PST by gogeo (If you are Tea Party, the GOPee does not want you.)
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To: gogeo; sarasmom

RE: Shouldn’t you be in your safe space?

The only safe space I have is logic and reason.

I went to college at a time when the term was not yet invented. :)

Happy Thanksgiving.


27 posted on 11/26/2015 6:01:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I appeal to you to reconsider?

Perhaps you should publish a book or a series of books to better illustrate your point.

I am curious, have you ever posted your critique of the public school systems' rendition of American history?

28 posted on 11/26/2015 6:27:11 AM PST by MosesKnows (Love Many, Trust Few, and Always Paddle Your Own Canoe)
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To: MosesKnows

RE: I am curious, have you ever posted your critique of the public school systems’ rendition of American history?

I believe I have. I’ll have to search the archives for what I posted. Might have been hundreds of posts back in the past.


29 posted on 11/26/2015 6:30:03 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

You’re Welcome.

Have A Most Blessed Thanksgiving Day!


30 posted on 11/26/2015 7:13:34 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

The True Story of Thanksgiving Rush Limbaugh (on FR)


31 posted on 11/26/2015 6:24:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SeekAndFind
ROTFLMAO!

This website is not a “debate forum”.
Please, please, please hit the abuse button!
It's always better to do that, rather than threaten it.

Most times I don't notice any temporary time-outs, but feel free to knock yourself out!

Seriously, knock yourself out!
Doesn't look like it will be your first time doing that.

32 posted on 11/28/2015 7:37:31 PM PST by sarasmom (TRUMP-Because there is no option to vote NONE OF THE ABOVE for the rest of them!)
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To: sarasmom

This will be my second time doing it if I ever do.

I am not intending to debate anyone BTW, I posted this thread for discussion purposes.

I see you have refrained from your hostility in your last post, so there’s no need to hit the abuse button.


33 posted on 11/28/2015 8:14:14 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Quit the lil pant wetter ain’t ya


34 posted on 11/28/2015 8:27:55 PM PST by advertising guy (............Radical. Islamic. Democrats, yeah.......that's the ticket !)
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To: advertising guy

Hey, I’m here to have fun too :)


35 posted on 11/28/2015 10:08:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Take lessons cause your bulldog manner sucks


36 posted on 11/28/2015 10:54:12 PM PST by advertising guy (............Radical. Islamic. Democrats, yeah.......that's the ticket !)
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RE: Take lessons cause your bulldog manner sucks

Bulldog?

Please scan the history of this thread and tell me who started the name calling and tell me what my response was...

I never degenerated into name calling at all.

Despite my being called an idiot, my tone was firm but still
respectful.

I simply directed the person to the posting rules of FR, telling her to abide by them.

How is that Bulldogging?

BTW, I’ll gladly acknowledge that I am an idiot provided you or anyone else can show me where in my post the adjective fits.


37 posted on 11/29/2015 6:37:46 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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