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POW “War Heroes” and Mr. Trump
Never Yet Melted ^ | 7/19/2015 | David Zincavage

Posted on 07/19/2015 4:45:47 PM PDT by RightGeek

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"Walter was always complaining about how rough he’d had it as a prisoner of war in WWII. Walter had been an infantryman in the 28th Division. The 28th Division was roughly handled and finally overrun during the Battle of the Bulge by Hasso von Manteuffel’s 5th Panzer Army,...My father was the wrong guy to ask for sympathy. And when Walter would start bitching, my father used to rib him mercilessly in response. My father would tell Walter that, "In the Marine Corps, we were told we were not supposed to surrender.""

Before and during World War 2, the Germans and Slavs had a social push against what they called sentimentality as shown above. They were tidy and attentive to appearances but rather apathetic, selfish and dependent on those appearances. Look where it got them.

And now that government positions and consequently, political discussion in the U.S.A. are so infested with European minds not quite assimilated (not to mention, large, slow moving, office chair Heinriches), a collapse and more warfare are coming. ...another test of vanity against ingenuity, another housecleaning.


21 posted on 07/19/2015 9:07:54 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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"Why did the crowd laugh?" Because they were civilians and REMFs.

Nope, because in following the actual conversation in real time, they responded to a quip, a word association minor joke playing off of the word 'captured' and the expectation of 'hero'....the quip being "I like my heroes uncaptured..."

What Trump is doing here is attacking MCCAIN, and it involves a feud that goes back to 2011, and in which Trump is responding to a Thursday attack by McCain against Trump when McCain said that Trump's supporters are a bunch of crazies.

That's what's happening here, and there is no way to look at the actual record and not incorporate these things into one's opinion IF a person is looking to have a fully informed opinion.

22 posted on 07/20/2015 5:47:22 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray for their victory or quit saying you support our troops)
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"What Trump is doing here is attacking MCCAIN, and it involves a feud that goes back to 2011, and in which Trump is responding to a Thursday attack by McCain against Trump when McCain said that Trump's supporters are a bunch of crazies."

Alright. I was out of the know on that--not with the personal-is-political in-crowd on what's going on with "lifestyles of the rich and famous." I only saw Trump's comments and did zero in on some of those.

I've had a close look at the following and the general background (New York, show business, celebrity interactions).

Donald Trump on the Issues

Looks like an exclusive fan following with a year and a quarter to go. It will become more exclusive, with those who are insulted and disagree being insulted further away.


23 posted on 07/20/2015 1:50:15 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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Here's what Trump is shaking his big, lifelong civilian, foreign Heinrich at.

John McCain
Wikipedia
Prisoner of war
McCain's capture and subsequent imprisonment began on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[34][35] McCain fractured both arms and a leg ejecting from the aircraft,[36] and nearly drowned when he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake.[34] Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[34] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[35]

Although McCain was badly wounded, his captors refused to treat his injuries, beating and interrogating him to get information; he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was a top admiral.[37] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major newspapers.[38][39]

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital while receiving marginal care.[34] By then having lost 50 pounds (23 kg), in a chest cast, and with his gray hair turned white as snow,[34] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi[40] in December 1967, into a cell with two other Americans who did not expect him to live a week.[41] In March 1968, McCain was put into solitary confinement, where he would remain for two years.[42]

In mid-1968, John S. McCain Jr. was named commander of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater, and the North Vietnamese offered McCain early release[44] because they wanted to appear merciful for propaganda purposes,[45] and also to show other POWs that elite prisoners were willing to be treated preferentially.[44] McCain turned down the offer; he would only accept repatriation if every man taken in before him was released as well. Such early release was prohibited by the POW's interpretation of the military Code of Conduct: To prevent the enemy from using prisoners for propaganda, officers were to agree to be released in the order in which they were captured.[34]

In August 1968, a program of severe torture began on McCain.[46] He was subjected to rope bindings and repeated beatings every two hours, at the same time as he was suffering from dysentery.[34][46] Further injuries led to the beginning of a suicide attempt, stopped by guards.[34] Eventually, McCain made an anti-American propaganda "confession".[34] He has always felt that his statement was dishonorable, but as he later wrote, "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[47][48] Many American POWs were tortured and maltreated in order to extract "confessions" and propaganda statements;[49] virtually all of them eventually yielded something to their captors.[50] McCain subsequently received two to three beatings weekly because of his continued refusal to sign additional statements.[51]

McCain refused to meet with various anti-war groups seeking peace in Hanoi, wanting to give neither them nor the North Vietnamese a propaganda victory.[52] From late 1969 onward, treatment of McCain and many of the other POWs became more tolerable,[53] while McCain continued actively to resist the camp authorities.[54] McCain and other prisoners cheered the U.S. "Christmas Bombing" campaign of December 1972, viewing it as a forceful measure to push North Vietnam to terms.[48][55]

Altogether, McCain was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for five and a half years. He was released on March 14, 1973.[56] His wartime injuries left him permanently incapable of raising his arms above his head.[57]


His fellow POWs and many others who served have confirmed it.

Remember that the defamations against McCain can be seen in enemy publications like VeteransToday.com (publication influenced by Hezbollah and neo-Nazis), InfoWars.com (Alex Jones crazies and subversives) and AntiWar.com (as seen in this thread).

Political parties in our country are now full of socialist corruption, envy and hatred against real Americans. They have no respect for anyone who served for the right, selfless reasons. They're scheming thieves and robbers. I have no respect for any of them. They have even bowed their bipartisan heads to the mullahs in Iran for many years.

I don't care for McCain's politics and believe that Scott Walker is the only one who might possibly be truly conservative--maybe. But Trump has no standing to say what he did, even if he did so for the vanities of others like him.


24 posted on 07/20/2015 4:10:16 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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In the early 1990’s McInsane also refused to allow the US to go get what was believed to be 1240 or so Vietnam POWs and instead campaigned to ensure Vietnam got Most Favored Nation status.

McInsane sold out his fellow POWs./


25 posted on 07/20/2015 4:41:08 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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