Good Enemies

[Yosemitest]

Dennis Prager's "5 minutes on the Middle East Conflict" is worth viewing.

The truth about the middle east, Israel Palestinian conflict in 5 minutes, by the Prager University ( 5:58 )
Published on Jun 19, 2014
you can find books by Dennis Prager here: http://bit.ly/dennisprager

Israel would like to exist and recognizes the right of the Palestinians to have a state;
the Palestinians, however, and many other Muslims and Arabs, do not recognize the right of a Jewish state of Israel to exist.

Every poll among Palestinians shows that a majority of Palestinians want there to be no Jewish state of Israel -- doesn't believe it should exist -- or had any basis for being.
And this has been true since 1948, when the British left and the U.N. established a division;
Palestine would be cut in half -- a Jewish half and an Arab half.

The Jews accepted it -- the Arabs didn't accept it.
And what happened?
The moment it was announced, Arab armies -- about seven Arab armies -- attacked the Jewish state in order to destroy it.
To everybody's surprise, the little Jewish state survived, and that was pretty much it.

And then it happened again in 1967, when the dictator of Egypt, Gamal Abdul Nasser, said
"We're now going to extinguish the Jewish state of Israel."
And Jordan joined him, and Syria joined him --
but Israel attacked first, as so Israel survived.

And that is how Israel -- and only that way -- came to occupy what was called the "West Bank" of Jordan -- where many Palestinians lived,
because many Palestinians lived in that part of Jordan.

So, the war was over in '67 and what did the Arabs do?
The Arab states all went to Khartoum, Sudan and announced
"No recognition, no peace, and no negotiations,"
the three famous "No's."
What was Israel supposed to do?

Then Israel made an agreement to give the entire Sinai Peninsula -- an area of land bigger than Israel-- with oil -- back to Egypt
because they said they would make peace with Israel.
Israel gives territory back for peace, and it will always do that.
But is there really a desire for peace on the part of Israel's enemies,
which broadcast after broadcast on TV and radio, in the Palestinian areas,
is about how Jews should be killed and how Allah wants Jews to be killed?
That's the typical broadcast on Palestinian television.

And so, its not hard to explain the Middle-East dispute.
One side wants the other DEAD.
Do you know what the motto of Hamas is?
The motto of Hamas is,
"We love DEATH as much as the Jews love life."
Now you tell me how Israel is suppose to make peace when people believe what Hamas believes.

Now, here is one of the most important things nobody talks about:
Everybody talks about a Palestinian state --
Why didn't anybody talk about a Palestinian state when the Palestinians lived under Jordanian rule?
Because, the truth is, people started talking about a Palestinian state once the Palestinians were under Israeli rule,
because it was always a way to destroy the Jewish state of Israel.

And I say "Jewish State" because that is what it is.
There are many, many Arab states but there is only one Jewish state.
It is about the size of New Jersey.
In fact, El Salvador is larger than Israel.
El Salvador!

And yet, if a Martian came to the earth and they visited the United Nations, or they read the world's newspapers, or watched world television,
they would believe that biggest problem on Earth is a state the size of New Jersey and El Salvador.This state of Israel, this preoccupation with this little democratic, humane state is absolutely irrational.

And here's another question to be asked:
If Israel, tomorrow, put down its arms and said
"We will fight no more,"
what would happen?
If the Arab countries around Israel said
"We will fight no more, we will put down our arms"
what would happen?

In the first case
there would be an immediate destruction of the State of Israel with the mass murder of the Jews of Israel.
In the second scenario I presented, where the Arabs put down their arms and said,
"We just want peace,"
there would be peace the next Wednesday.

The fact is, as I said at the outset, it is a very simple problem to describe:
One side wants the other DEAD --
and if they didn't
there would be peace.


Please remember this --
there has never been, never in the history of the world, a state in that area,that was not Jewish.
Israel is the third Jewish autonomous Jewish state to exist in that area.
There was never an autonomous Arab state.
There was never an autonomous Muslim state.
There was not an autonomous "any-other" state.
That's the issue:
Why can't a little state the size of El Salvador, that calls itself Israel, be allowed to exist?
That, in a nutshell, is the Middle-East problem.

[Yosemitest]

You want to see the "End of the Matter" ?

" ... And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them...
... after the end of seven months shall they search.
And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog ... "

That's a VERY long time burying dead Muslims, ... burying a lot of DEAD Muslims!

And here's WHY !

[Yosemitest]

[little jeremiah]

Pinging a few of you to a new member’s first (actual) comment; it is the first part of a book he wrote about Islam.

He will be posting all of it bit by bit; not sure how many parts.

He also has made it available for free downloading; since he is new I’m not sure if he can get freepmails yet as I’ve been sort of absent from FR for some months.

[little jeremiah]

Caww - here is a new member who is going to post a book he wrote about Islam, “Good Enemies”.

I think you would be interested and please ping anyone else who might be, that you know.

RagnarokNRoll’s books can also be downloaded; not sure if he will be making that available but probably so.

[Tenacious 1]

Bookmark for later.

Any objections to printing this out?

Thanks

[little jeremiah]

I can’t speak for RnR but he told me he can only make one post a day, not sure if he meant new thread or regular comment. He wants to get his book out there so people see what’s going on with Islamic jihad. I’ve urged him to self publish but I guess it’s easier said than done.

IMHO he would be very happy if it’s printed out, there are many more parts.

[Fred Nerks]

thanks for the ping, I only read as far as Mrs Bush saying that ‘their god’ was the same God...which might be half true in as much as ‘their religion’ was plagiarised by mohammad who was an illiterate no-account when he heard about Judaism and Christianity from the men of religion in Medina.
Mrs Bush seems to have been repeating the dangerous myth about this death cult. Anyone wanting to understand this cult needs to also read The Life of Muhammad written by Edward, Canon Sell, published in 1913.
It’s going to be touch and go, whether the West wakes up in time or not. Won’t happen while governments are lying to their citizens, whether through self interest or stupidity, won’t make any difference.
The best we can hope for is that the malice and poison within that cult creates the whirlwind it deserves, and they wipe each other out.

That said, ANY attempt to educate the people on what islam is really all about, is commendable.

http://www.archive.org/stream/lifeofmuhammad00sell/lifeofmuhammad00sell_djvu.txt

The life OF Muhammad (EXCERPT)

It was not something new which
Muhammad brought to a people hitherto igno-
rant of it. The Arabs, however, were not a
pious people, and the fear of Allah and the re-
verence of their numerous minor deities degener-
ated into a form of fetish worship. The supersti-
tious reverence for natural objects led to the
separating off of certain places as sacred. What
they lacked in devotion to the gods was more
than made up for by devotion to the clan. ‘ The
original religious society was the kindred group
and all duties of kinship were part of religion.’ 1
Infanticide was common, polygamy was practised
and the moral condition was low.

The Pagan Arabs were a tolerant people and
Zoroastrians, Jews and Christians were allowed to
settle down amongst them. In South Arabia some
tribes were largely Christian and had bishops and
churches of their own. Their Christianity was
weak and gave place to Judaism. The Jews then
began a bitter persecution of the Christians, and
this led to the intervention of the Abyssinians,
who coming over to the successful help of their
co-religionists remained in the land. The Jews,
however, were still a numerous people, and it is
said that there were twenty tribes of Jewish origin
in Madina alone. In many cases they seem to
have been clients (Ahlaf) or allies of neighbouring

1 Robertson Smith, Religion of the Semites, p. 47.

THE STATE OF ARABIA 3

Arab tribes, to whom they looked for protection.
These Jewish communities were industrious and
wealthy, with some reputation for learning. They
were, in fact, the most cultured people in Arabia.
Their influence was considerable, and this would
have been a source of strength to them, if only
they had had the wisdom to see how important
united action was in resisting the attacks made
upon them. They failed in this respect and so
were easily overcome in detail. They formed a
very important section of the community in the
city of Madina.

The Jews and Christians were known as the
* people of the book ‘, and some of the more in-
quiring minds at Mecca, as we shall hereafter see,
gained much information from them, though it
was information largely derived from Talmudic
and Apocryphal sources. Such, then, was the reli-
gious position in Arabia at the end of the sixth
century.

[caww]

Pretty interesting, as always, that as small as Israel is that it cannot be left alone....that it continually has the focus of all the other nations of the entire world.....That in itself should make people consider what this is all about.

Hamas's Claimed Motto :

"We love death as much as the Jews love life". "

If Israel layed down all it's arms completely and said they would no longer fight. The Muslims would destroy immediately the entire nation."

"If the Islamic states all said they'd lay down their arms and no longer fight...there would be peace".

Enough said.

[Thank You Rush]

This is as far as I’m interested in going on this. I would never believe that a Christian thought they had to read the Koran to learn more about Jesus. I have no desire to read the Koran nor do I even feel comfortable typing the words or if I ran across one of those books to even touch it. That’s where I stand and I will make no apologies for it.

“”I thought that if I read the Qu’ran, in those pages I would learn more about my savior, Jesus, because I was told that Muslims believe in Jesus, too. What a great opportunity to hear more of the Word of God and His salvation plan for mankind, to learn different aspects of prophecy and gain new insights from a different perspective. I couldn’t wait!

Let me ask you how many of you have taken the time to read the Qu’ran, the Muslim Holy Book?

I will tell you, right now, you owe it to yourselves to read it

[Thank You Rush]

“”He wants to get his book out there so people see what’s going on with Islamic jihad.””

Anyone who doesn’t already know what the Islamic jihad is all about wouldn’t even know how to read so what’s the point? Do we need to see more beheadings and people burned alive in cages to get the point? And don’t bother telling me that’s NOT what the barbarians are about. Please spare us or at least me.

[caww]

Thank you for posting this “study”....

I've been doing so since 9/11...and read many authors and regarding Islam and other nations for that matter.

It is more than disturbing that many of our politicians are not familiar with the verbiage that Islamic Diplomats use and reference....which often have a different meaning then in our language. There fore communications are falsely understood to mean something they don't...and the Muslims know this. They use this ignorance to their advantage frequently and the politicians haven't a clue they're being played.

[caww]

Many people today are “deceived” and this willingly.

Today I watched a video of a Inter-faith meeting....it was worse than in expereinced played at being “nice” un-effectively and came close to a fight. People think it’s just a matter of “conversation” with one another....but no matter how hard you try and mix oil and water it’s not going to blend.....

The Muslims are not here to integrate...they are here to change this entire nation to something it is not!

[little jeremiah]

You don’t need to read this thread....

His book is extremely well researched, this is just a small beginning.

There’s a saying “Know your enemy” and in the case of world wide Islamic jihad that’s been going non-stop for 1400 years and is now making incredible inroads like invasive cancer into our own country, it makes good sense to learn about it. Not just what they do, but what their history is, plans are, what insane beliefs drive them - to better know how to defeat jihad.

Your choice, of course.

[little jeremiah]

He’s also done a good bit of research into how our government has been infiltrated, the various groups active and so on. I’m just a numbskull but I want to help him get his info out, there are always people who just do not know....

[little jeremiah]

And plenty of people know little to nothing about the history of Islamic jihad, nor their current plans, nor the numbers of terrorist promoting Moslems in our government right now.

The more people who are informed, the better.

[caww]

I haven’t read the Koran....but then I haven’t read cookbooks either but i know how to cook.

Most Muslims haven’t read the Koran either....because they don’t all understand it’s language. However they memorize it as it’s required. Which is a dastardly way to indoctrinate people in it’s evil teachings....even if they don’t understand it.

You don’t have to read the Koran....but there are certain “words” in Islamic ‘language’ we would do well to know what their meaning is so we can understand the political talk when they speak.

heir language can and does use similar words...but their meanings are completely different and mis-lead the uninformed...and is intended that way. Muslims never tell you the real meaning...they are perfectly content to let others believe the meaning is the same....and this is deceitful.

You can learn about Islam without reading the Koran.....and I personally don’t encourage others to read it. As this author wrote..it’s simply filled with hate and death quotes and that’s enough to stay away from it.

[caww]

...”The more people who are informed, the better.”...

I only object to the fact the author encourages reading the Koran...you don’t have to read that to understand Islamic teachings nor Islam itself. I would not encourage reading it.

[Fred Nerks]

Don’t sell yourself short! If everyone made an effort, we wouldn’t be in this pickle, it’s painfully obvious that it will only be through the efforts of individuals the truth sees the light of day.
The media is in the governments pocket. They are not independent nor on our side. But they will suffer the same fate ultimately. Ignorance bestows no favours.