Mother Of Slain Student Pushes To Expand DNA Databases

Here and Now ^ | 30 Jan 2015 | Lisa Mullins

[Secret Agent Man]

my point is if someone is going to fight for new laws, i would rather have them fight for new laws that help people from becoming victims and protect them if they have to defend themselves, rather than giving over more intrusive powers or expanding existing powers, to govt.

[CorporateStepsister]

Most of these women who espouse stuff like this find a perverse satisfaction and importance in having a slain kid so they can go on some insane rampage and indulge in suggesting all sorts of asinine ‘precautions’ to indulge in their determination to be protected from a very difficult world.

Much of these liberal policies can be traced back to someone who refuses to take responsibility for their own lives and own safety and desperately want someone else to face it for them. To help them abdicate ANY responsibility for their lives.

[Secret Agent Man]

i think that that does happen. not sure here.

what i do know that it is not good to have an impulsive reaction totally based on fluctuating feelings to pass a law. like i said i’d rather have them advocate for things that are proactive and give more legal rights to people to defend themselves, rather than expanding the surveillance states’ powers. to pushit through on emotion and believe there are no down sides and it can ever harm innocent people is naive and dishonest.

[Ditto]

Yes because the dna databases that already have millions in them already have been such a deterrent.

Would it be as a deterrent, or just to get the monster off the street before they could do multiple rapes?

Guys that will rape and kill don't consider deterrent. I don't understand what they are thinking, but they aren't 'calculating' in that sense.

My only question would be if the DNA process is really that solid.

[Secret Agent Man]

do i need the /sarc tag? i figured the rest of my post gave context.

[House Atreides]

Sorry, but I do have a pretty good understanding of the criminal justice system. Fingerprinting is part of almost all booking processes and the fingerprint data obtained is stored in a national database.

Obtaining DNA samples, determining the DNA “profiles” and storing/maintaining those profiles in the national database are much more restricted and limited. Below is a link to more information on this.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet

A lot of folks are fearful of this but the only folks who really need to be fearful are criminals and serious violators of the law.

[Render]

Thanks for the link. We can all read information on the Internet and learn about how things are supposed to be done. The question is, have you ever done them. Investigations, case building, prosecution, and case closure don’t always follow text book procedure. Corners are cut, rules are bent and even sometimes broken. It’s not black and white, there are many other shades of color to the equation.

[Cold Heat]

I agree wholeheartedly with this expansion.

Oh fudge! Why not save time and take it to it's logical conclusion. Extract DNA from every grade school kid when they get their mandated shots. It will save everyone a lot of grief and solve all the coulda, woulda , shoulda's..... [sarcasm tag]

[trebb]

To help identify and/or to create leads to perps who commit crimes and leave DNA residue behind. It can also be used to identify “unknown” deadbeat dads with kids on welfare (being paid using MY taxes). You haven’t left any of your DNA at any crime scenes by any chance, have you?

Then you are also fine with them looking at all your emails, listening in on every conversation, and perhaps even peeking in your bedroom window just in case they might need to have that data to convict you of something with?

I bet you also believe (mistakenly) that you are pro-Constitution...

[House Atreides]

You are being absurd, illogical and ridiculous. Which is your constitutional right, of course. Try to educate yourself.

The Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System is a national fingerprint and criminal history system. it has not only fingerprint data but much more associated information such as name(s) height, weight, and hair and eye color. This contains information on not only criminals but also on many non-criminals. My data is in there from both my military service and from the process of obtaining security clearances for a number of jobs I have had in private industry. Many of my fellow FReepers also have their information in this database. I do not consider having my fingerprints and identifying data in the database as intrusive. Here is a link with more information.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/fingerprints_biometrics/iafis/iafis/

Below is a link to more information about the database housing DNA profile information of many criminals. You’ll note that it is much LESS intrusive than the fingerprint database. For example it does NOT contain names and physical attributes such as height and hair/eye color.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet

[trebb]

You are being absurd, illogical and ridiculous. Which is your constitutional right, of course. Try to educate yourself. The Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System is a national fingerprint and criminal history system. it has not only fingerprint data but much more associated information such as name(s) height, weight, and hair and eye color. This contains information on not only criminals but also on many non-criminals. My data is in there from both my military service and from the process of obtaining security clearances for a number of jobs I have had in private industry. Many of my fellow FReepers also have their information in this database. I do not consider having my fingerprints and identifying data in the database as intrusive. Here is a link with more information

I personally consider much of my data being there (prior military and CCW holder) to be intrusive and unnecessary. The fact that there may be some "usefulness" to the data does not constitute it being correctly collected/held/used. Having some activist demand even more data be collected is not my idea of the way to go - most of the Freedoms we have lost started with 'sensible sounding" ideas and movements. You can consider me to be "absurd, illogical and ridiculous" but I consider you in the same light. It's reminiscent of the sage advise about how those who were willing to give up some freedoms in the name of security deserving neither. Many who think they believe in the Constitution have their little pet exceptions that are just fine and dandy because they happen to make sense to them - that's how the Constitution has come to take a back seat to many who rule the low-life scum that used to be The People...

[House Atreides]

Perhaps I am the one who needs to be educated/enlightened.

Do your have some examples of how our national fingerprint database is not “being correctly collected/held/used”? And do you have any suggestions on how it can be improved?

And I have the same question on our national DNA profile database. Is that not “being correctly collected/held/used” in reality? Do you have some suggestions on how it can be improved?

[trebb]

Do your have some examples of how our national fingerprint database is not “being correctly collected/held/used”? And do you have any suggestions on how it can be improved?

Never researched all the ways the data is being collected/used. Where is it all Constitutional (other than some lawyers/judges deciding that the Constitution allows it? We all know that there are absolutely no un-Constitutional laws, etc., being imposed upon us under the guise of law.