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You May Have a New Strain of Ebola and Test Negative
Investment Watch Blog ^

Posted on 08/30/2014 8:04:13 AM PDT by alexmark1917

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1 posted on 08/30/2014 8:04:13 AM PDT by alexmark1917
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...
Ping…

A link to this thread has been posted on the Ebola Surveillance Thread

2 posted on 08/30/2014 8:07:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: null and void

Ping!


3 posted on 08/30/2014 8:14:32 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Smokin' Joe
The best hope lies in a new $489 million plan proposed by the World Health Organization...

Well - No.

The best hope is to shut down air travel from the afflicted regions and let the epidemic burn out.

Unless the disease changes, we are on track for 2-3 million deaths in the next twelve months. Most of these deaths will be in Africa. It is too late for medical intervention to stop this.

4 posted on 08/30/2014 8:18:26 AM PDT by flamberge (What next?)
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To: alexmark1917

Ouch. So you are contagious before showing symptoms ? International air travel to infected countries has to stop.


5 posted on 08/30/2014 8:26:07 AM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

This will render any vaccines or ZMapp treatments useless.

Makes me wonder if the patients who received ZMapp and died had a strain different enough for the ZMapp to be useless.


6 posted on 08/30/2014 8:31:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Jim Noble

See.... smart mutation. Not random at all.


7 posted on 08/30/2014 8:36:07 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: alexmark1917

The best hope lies in a new $489 million plan proposed by the World Health Organization, with the goal of stopping Ebola transmission within nine months. The ambitious plan would deploy hundreds of international experts and thousands of local medical staff. But first, Frieden stresses, the money has to be raised.

Meanwhile, the bad news is mounting. “The number of cases is spiraling upward,” he says. “There’s an urgent need to get patients into isolation and start to get better control of the disease.” But first, Frieden stresses, the money has to be raised.

“This is a threat not just to West Africa and to Africa, this is a threat to the world,” Frieden says, emphasizing the need to fund WHO’s effort. Every day the outbreak continues “increases the risk of spread to other countries.” But first, Frieden stresses, the money has to be raised.

West African health departments don’t have the staff, training or equipment to control this disease on their own, Frieden says. That means the international community must pick up the pace of its response to the crisis. But first, Frieden stresses, the money has to be raised.

“Literally every day that we don’t make more progress controlling the outbreak,” Frieden says, “is another day that the outbreak will not just continue — but grow much larger.” But first, Frieden stresses, the money has to be raised.


8 posted on 08/30/2014 8:39:59 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Black Agnes

If the virus is that unstable, I am led to suspect it may have been artificially fabricated. (i.e. a man-made root virus formulated in the lab and let loose as a weapon or trial.)


9 posted on 08/30/2014 8:43:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Once it gets to the west the money will magically appear.

The elites however want as many dead Africans as possible it would seem. So they’ll dither around so long as it stays in Africa.


10 posted on 08/30/2014 8:43:58 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: alexmark1917

“Bringing to thirteen the number of people affected by the virus in the area Djera people in northern ECUADOR, where the epidemic was declared.”

This jumped out at me, but it seems that they must have used a “google translator” or something like it. I followed the link to a French language report. I don’t read French, but I imagine that the original news report is saying that the Djera live north of the equator.


11 posted on 08/30/2014 8:53:25 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Black Agnes
Makes me wonder if the patients who received ZMapp and died had a strain different enough for the ZMapp to be useless.

Entirely possible.

What will make this especially difficult to contain is the unprecedented number of human bioreactors out there not only serving as a breeding ground for the virus, but for mutation.

Add in the other species which humans commonly have contact with--intentional or otherwise, from canines to rodents, and there is more host biomass than ever known to exist.

Unfortunately we have a little while yet to wait before we find out if those who "tested negative for Ebola" in several countries were, in fact, negative.

I pray that is the case, otherwise, this has already spread far beyond its known limits.

12 posted on 08/30/2014 8:59:13 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Cvengr

I think the issue is the human 2 human transmission chain. It’s never undergone so many sequential H2H2H2H2 transmissions before that we know of. It’s figuring us out and throwing spaghetti at the wall to do it.


13 posted on 08/30/2014 9:00:49 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Smokin' Joe

The diagnosed patients are where ebola was roughly 2 weeks ago. Where ebola is now is anyone’s guess.


14 posted on 08/30/2014 9:01:32 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: alexmark1917
With the virus continuing to kill in Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria, the expected arrival of thousands of students from those countries has U.S. authorities on alert but cautioning against alarm.

Idiots........

Quarantining them is the ONLY answer. It must be stopped mechanically, so to speak.

15 posted on 08/30/2014 9:06:38 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Cvengr

“If the virus is that unstable, I am led to suspect it may have been artificially fabricated. (i.e. a man-made root virus formulated in the lab and let loose as a weapon or trial.)”

I’ve been wondering about this myself given that Islam is a dominant religion in the country where it first came to light this time around.


16 posted on 08/30/2014 9:06:49 AM PDT by JoyjoyfromNJ (everything written by me on FR is my personal opinion & does not represent my employer)
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To: justa-hairyape
Ouch. So you are contagious before showing symptoms ? International air travel to infected countries has to stop.

You are with virtually any virus. It's how they spread.

If you were contagious after you showed symptoms, then all you would need to do is quarantine the ill persons and the virus would cease to spread.

17 posted on 08/30/2014 9:08:18 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: alexmark1917

Talk about burying the lede:

CDC Changes Criteria for Ebola Transmission; admits “being within 3 feet” or “in same room” can cause infection

THIS WEEK the CDC changed their information about how Ebola can spread; they now admit “being within 3 feet” of an infected person or “being in the same room” with an infected person can allow the virus to infect someone else! They also admit a person who is infected, but not yet showing symptoms, is contagious!

http://preventebola.com/public/index.php/news/54-cdc-changes-criteria-for-ebola-transmission-admits-being-within-3-feet-or-in-same-room-can-cause-infection

video: http://investmentwatchblog.com/rapidly-mutating-ebola-renders-diagnostic-tests-inaccurate-aka-you-may-have-a-new-strain-of-ebola-and-test-negative/

Notably, this appears right after a Nigerian student coming to the US claims the direct contrary, that nobody should be afraid of catching in from someone in their college class.


18 posted on 08/30/2014 9:09:00 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: JoyjoyfromNJ

Do some googling/ixquicking on the ‘kenema’ and ‘infectious disease’ and ‘lab’.

Just for kix and grins.


19 posted on 08/30/2014 9:09:03 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: flamberge
Medical intervention will likely not stop it in Africa, at least in the areas already known to be affected.

What is needed now is a way to limit movement and interpersonal contact to reduce the geographic spread of the infection.

So far, reliance on tests that simply may not work to determine if people with Ebola-like symptoms have crossed international boundaries far beyond Africa may prove troublesome.

I recall instances where people were suspected of presenting symptoms in Ireland, England, Germany, Albania, and Italy, and there may be more non-African nations, but all tested negative. If early enough on in the mutation series, those tests may be valid (let's hope and pray they are). If not, and the people had a mutated variant, there is the possibility that they, those they came into contact with, and those those persons came into contact with are in grave danger, (and the chain continues).

Underestimating the disease is the greatest danger, any error should be on the side of caution.

20 posted on 08/30/2014 9:09:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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