Posted on 05/29/2014 6:23:56 PM PDT by servo1969
The Kellerman “study” has been debunked numerous times.
Start with the basics; John Lott, Gary Kleck, or even the CDC report Obama just had done after Sandy Hook but buried it along with the media after the results didn’t match the narrative.
Don’t have a clue. My own experience is that I grew up in a home with guns and a Dad who taught us about gun safety and responsibility. I’m 62 yrs old and never had a mishap in the home and neither did my Dad before he and Mom hooked up. My Uncle has had guns since the mid ‘50s and he hasn’t had any problems. I think, that if you could take the numbers representing person-years with guns in a household and derive bad mishaps to factor in, you would find that we are a very safe Nation when it comes to households that have always had firearms and the whole family knew how to treat them, the record would be very good - probably better than most OSHA-monitored construction sites and police departments....
Overlooked and horribly understated.
Many get sucked into statistics, such as happened after some yahoo org distributed a ‘study’ that showed no correlation between gun ownership and reduction in crime.
Getting sucked into the debate on maleable statistics is ‘taking the bait’. It really is a simple argument.
But emotions grab headlines and the stupid eat it up...hence the drama of the past week & ongoing.
But note how the media is carefully treading around Elliot Rogers mental state; that’s a BIG tell...
Strong vs. weak; Predator vs. prey.
The rest of it is really an argument of hyperbole & abject servitude to the State vs. freedom. While written sparsely & simply, there really is a good reason the 2nd Amendment didn’t come 3rd, 4th or otherwise...
And the nut of the argument...one I LOVE to broach: If the argument that a lack of guns (and other weapons, for that matter), coupled with State Control, creates a Utopian society free of violence, is not the ultimate expression of that concept a ‘state-run prison’?
Take it from there and have fun.
Thank you so much for doing this. I’ve found the information here very useful.
The study that shows the presence of a gun facilitated suicide with a gun is pretty funny. It takes a scientific study to conclude that a person who lacks a gun doesn't commit suicide with a gun?
Individuals in possession of a gun at the time of an assault are 4.46 times more likely to be shot in the assault than persons not in possession (Branas et al, 2009). It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families."This type of lie makes me laugh too, because it is common and because many people fall for it. The leap of logic that people are invited to make is that a "rate of increase" is equivalent to greater numbers.
Aside from the statistical error, the action bias the writer is attempting to instill is to not defend yourself or present any resistance, because doing so is risky. By all means, if you have no intention to defend yourself, I concur with the conclusion, don't carry means to defend yourself.
To all those who helped, thank you so much. And our hard work paid off. One of my reliably Leftist friends said “I hate to say it, but your point are good. I need to think about this now.”
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