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Russia Should Follow U.S. Example in Eastern Ukraine
Lawrence Journal World ^ | May 2, 2014 | Reasonmclucus

Posted on 05/03/2014 2:46:48 PM PDT by kathsua

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The important thing about the Ukraine for us is that Putin is exposing Obama for the fool that he is. We should stay out of these silly European squabbles. The Europeans have gotten us into enough problems during the last century. The Middle East mess is largely due to the Europeans efforts to run the region.
1 posted on 05/03/2014 2:46:48 PM PDT by kathsua
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The important thing about the Ukraine for us is that Putin is exposing Obama for the fool that he is.

Obama is giving us a chance to see libertarianism in practice, we haven't had a chance to observe true libertarian foreign policy and national defense beliefs, since Jimmy Carter.

2 posted on 05/03/2014 2:53:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Libertarianism offers the transitory concepts and dialogue to move from conservatism, to liberalism)
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The meddling of world powers in Ukraine is creating another Bosnia...another bloody mess.


3 posted on 05/03/2014 2:53:41 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: kathsua

Perhaps we should sell cities like Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore to their citizens.


4 posted on 05/03/2014 2:58:57 PM PDT by expat2
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To: darkwing104

The areas in question have been historically Russian. They were transferred for administration to the Ukraine during the time of the USSR, but it was all one country at that time.

We have no national interest in that area. It may be a concern of the EU, and if there is something there worth spending money and lives on, let the money and lives be German, French, Italian, etc. for a change.


5 posted on 05/03/2014 3:01:17 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: kathsua

Considering all the money Ukraine already owes Russia seems that Ukraine has already done the selling.

Should be a lesson in that for the morons who want us to go deeper into debt to solve somebody else’s problem. Unfortunately globalism is apparently a leading cause of brain damage.


6 posted on 05/03/2014 3:02:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Considering all the money Ukraine already owes Russia seems that Ukraine has already done the selling. Should be a lesson in that for the morons who want us to go deeper into debt to solve somebody else’s problem. Unfortunately globalism is apparently a leading cause of brain damage.

So you would be fine with China calling in its debt and demanding to annex the US as the price of a settlement?

7 posted on 05/03/2014 3:09:30 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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The areas in question have been historically Russian. They were transferred for administration to the Ukraine during the time of the USSR, but it was all one country at that time. We have no national interest in that area. It may be a concern of the EU, and if there is something there worth spending money and lives on, let the money and lives be German, French, Italian, etc. for a change.

The Warsaw Pact countries have a 50-year history of being Russian provinces in all but name. Should they be ceded to Russia as well?

8 posted on 05/03/2014 3:11:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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LOL yeah that’s exactly what I said.

Moron.


9 posted on 05/03/2014 3:13:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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If Russia followed the USA’s 19th century example they would invade and control half of Ukraine including Kiev. Then negotiate terms under threat of taking over the entire damned country. LOL They would not actually “pay” anything just forgive a large portion of debt.

“From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli”


10 posted on 05/03/2014 3:14:07 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Zhang Fei

Difference is no part of the U.S. has people clamoring to be annexed to China nor did China ever have an historic interest in any part of present day USA.


11 posted on 05/03/2014 3:28:33 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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Russia should offer to purchase the Russian populated areas whose residents want to leave Ukraine much like the United States purchased California from Mexico.

Not one oblast has a Russian majority. Not one oblast has a majority of the population that wants to leave Ukraine.

So what is this guy talking about?

Does he even know what he is talking about?

12 posted on 05/03/2014 3:29:27 PM PDT by FreeReign
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The Warsaw Pact countries were non-Russian peoples controlled by the USSR, much like Tibet is controlled by China.

The areas in question were Russian for hundreds of years, which is why they are ethically and linguistically Russian today. A transfer of administrative duties during the Soviet era doesn’t change that, nor does it make the situation analogous to Poland being controlled by the USSR.


13 posted on 05/03/2014 3:33:48 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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Why not, we gave Maine to Somalia.


14 posted on 05/03/2014 3:44:17 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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i thought it was Minnesota that went to Somalia.


15 posted on 05/03/2014 4:00:22 PM PDT by expat2
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Yep, Minneapolis.


16 posted on 05/03/2014 4:35:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: achilles2000

The areas in question were Russian for hundreds of years, which is why they are ethically and linguistically Russian today.


You don’t want to play this game. Many areas of Russia itself were not majority ethnic Russian historically. I’ll buy you a clue. Putin won’t be transferring “administrative duties” to the locals in those areas.


17 posted on 05/03/2014 4:40:12 PM PDT by lodi90
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I don’t need your clue. I make no argument that the territorial borders of Russia are inviolable nor I do claim that Putin would be willing to let,say, Chechnya go, even though Russia would be far better off without it. What I do say is that if a region that has been made subject to one governmental unit prefers to be subject to another, they should be allowed to switch. I am certainly not willing to be taxed or to see Americans killed for the purpose of keeping Slaviansk, for example, subject to the government in Kiev that was installed by a coup.


18 posted on 05/03/2014 7:43:24 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: ansel12

Fomenting a coup, which is what Obama and the EU did, is not “libertarian”. Libertarian foreign policy is generally non-interventionist.


19 posted on 05/03/2014 7:45:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: kathsua

Too bad so many posters can’t get past the ghosts of the Cold War so that they can see that you are right.


20 posted on 05/03/2014 7:46:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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