Posted on 04/10/2014 5:13:12 AM PDT by SavingtheRepublic.com
Thats exactly what I thought...This isnt his land....at all
This looks like a setup....for some bad press....its stupid.
Defame an entire demographic with coverage of this shyster.
Thanks.
Yes, I would like to know why the standard state laws for grazing wouldn’t apply, i.e. obligation of a land owner to have a “legal fence”.
We had neighboring property to one of our pastors that was owned by a local man renowned for being the worst type of cattleman. He owned 40 acre plots all over the county, moved his cattle around from one to the other all the time, and never kept up his fences.
His cattle would get out onto our property and he would never respond when called to come get his cattle in and fix his fence.
One summer he decided to plant corn on the other side of the fence from our cattle pastor. Guess what, once those ears started filling in our cattle moved in mass through his 2 wire rusty fence and began feasting on that corn. Dad called him and left a message, “Harry, you need to come out fix your fence, my cattle are moving through it.” Not realizing which fence it was, Harry did his norm and just ignored the call. Within a couple of weeks, the corn was gone.
Later on we had an issue with about a dozen of his cattle that had gotten out and we woke up with them in our garden. When called he said, “I’ll be out in a few days to take care of it.” We ran the cattle down the road about 4 miles and told him the same when he came out (2 weeks later).
The feds get a perfect statement out of this.....”greedy rich white rancher with guns”.....living off “federal” land for free for generations”...and killing off a cute turtle....to boot....Great
From 1934 to 1993, the Bundy family held a grazing agreement and paid grazing fees for part of the old Bunkerville Allotment. That's where the Bundy family was grazing his cattle in 1993.
Now, Bundy is grazing his cattle in the old Bunkerville Allotment, the BLM's Gold Butte area, and National Park System land within the Overton Arm and Gold Butte areas of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. The Bundy family never paid for access to the Gold Butte or Overton Arm areas.
Why did they have to move the grazing area?
Was it because of a turtle and the Endangered Species Act?
Yeah... About that...
He is still grazing cattle on the original old Bunkerville grazing allotment.
Since he quit paying grazing fees, he expanded to graze in additional BLM property in the Gold Butte area.
He also expanded into National Park System property within the Lake Mead National Recreation Area.
Except for military bases, there should be NO federal lands.
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NO fair. You peeked at the Constitution.
In for a penny, in for a pound...
As far as I’m concerned, I don’t care if this man is grazing his cattle for free.
As far as I’m concerned, any exercise of federal force on individuals is WRONG. Their only jurisdiction is dealing with external threats and with unresolvable conflicts between state governments.
It seems to me that there are now two issues here.
1. Grazing rights.
2. Rights of peacefully protesting American citizens.
The federal court found that federal law requiring a permit to graze conflicted with Nevada open-range law. The court ruled that, under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, federal law prevailed over state law. (Note, however, that Nevada state law also requires a permit and payment of a fee to graze on federal land.)
The 2013 Bundy court order relied on U.S. v. Gardner, 107 F.3d 1314 (9th Cir. 1998) in making the Supremacy Clause ruling. I haven't Sherpardized Gardner.
You should read Gardner. It contains all of the arguments being made by Cliven Bundy and the federal government except Bundy's claims that he is being evicted under the endangered species law rather than a claim of trespass.
The Rustlers are:
Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc.
475 S 200 W
Nephi, UT 84648 -
Phone: (435) 623-2415
email: clr@wildhorseroundups.com
Includes both Cameron Warner and Shayne Sampson (These names provided by Ryan Bundy)
Frankly, I don't care. It's being billed by the overreaching feds as "public land" to be used by "everyone." Well, last I checked, Bundy is part of everyone.
Never mind the fact that he is a productive rancher who contributes to the local and national economy.
Now, add to that the fact that his family, who have been grazing that land since the 19th century, also improved the land at their own expense. I'd say the feds can bugger off.
Of course, this whole thing has nothing at all to do with a big solar power deal the feds worked on the down-low that looks to provide a lot of cash to the feds, er, power to the region. Using "public" land with "endangered" reptiles.
I appreciate your opinion and respect most of the various arguments made in support of Cliven Bundy.
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