Posted on 04/03/2014 10:28:00 AM PDT by jazusamo
This along with the recall of only some models with defective power steering are just two examples of GM trying to keep it quiet but because of exposure of the problems did as little as possible to keep costs down.
They were more concerned with saving a buck than with lost lives and injuries those defects caused.
The left’s blame will be taxpayers.
“Taxpayers didn’t give GM enough bailout money to fix the problem”.
All makes and models have had the same problem ever since they moved the switch to the steering column.
A friend of mine that had a tune up and dyno shop constantly encountered this 25 years ago with people who had large amounts of keys and other crap hanging from their ignition key!
That solution does not seem ludicrous. It cuts right to the cause of the problem. It insures that the weight of some of those ridiculously cluttered key chains remains centered and prevents it from turning the key.
It’s kinda funny. My keychain contains three keys and nothing else. I have to fit it into my pocket, after all. My wallet also has two credit cards (they each double as ID to get into Costco or Sams Club), a debit card and a drivers license, and that’s it. I rarely even carry money.
And since Obamacare, I don’t even have to carry that old Humana card since I no longer have health insurance.
There is nothing wrong with the ignition switches.
No, I’m not being sarcastic. When it comes to stats like this, I never really care about the number of people who died. I want to know the number relative to the number of units sold. 13 is a lot if they sold 20 cars. It’s statistically zero if they sold 1.6 million. Sure, it’s personal for the families of the 13, but that is an issue for a different thread - one on greiving for those who die from any sort of freak accident - which is what these folks died of.
On the original ignition switches for these compacts there was a problem. The spring was weak and the plunger for the detent was short. They made a change by lengthening the spring and plunger but never told anyone and didn’t change the part number.
This was talked about in the Congressional hearings on Tuesday and Wednesday.
It’s true this has occurred with other makes and models for many years when key chains are loaded down with much of whatever but GM did and does have a problem.
See my post 7.
This “non problem” is going to cost GM a lot.
The US government was in charge of GM, and knew about these problems,
This “non problem” is going to cost GM a lot.
Both were non-problems, but sometimes you have to respond to bad PR.
I guess Lee Iacocca is now off the hook for the infamous five-dollar Plexiglas shield for the Pinto gas tank that he rejected.
Its not unreasonable to expect that the switch works regardless of the weight of the keyring. Clearly they need to perform some real life beta testing of these systems, preferably using real life people and real life keyrings.
Ha...I owned one of those Pinto’s and got rid of it before that problem became known.
Its not unreasonable to expect that the switch works regardless of the weight of the keyring. Clearly they need to perform some real life beta testing of these systems, preferably using real life people and real life keyrings.
I just saw Gravity. One of the interesting things in the movie is the way push button controls were on some vehicles. There was a wire screen around the buttons to ensure that you could not press two buttons at a time. The likelyhood of doing it is low, but the results of hitting the wrong button could be very bad.
It’s a risk assessment issue, and why bolts and nuts on airplanes are wired in position but are not handled that way on automobiles. Does this mean that nobody is EVER killed in an auto accident cause by a bolt that comes loose? Nope. But the cost of doing it relative to the lives saved makes it impractical.
Risk assessment includes three facets:
1. The likelyhood of a thing happening.
2. The impact of a thing happening.
3. The cost of mitigating the risk.
It’s why people don’t harden their homes against a meteor strike. Money is limited and must be diverted from other activities to mitigate the risk. Meanwhile, the cost of mitigating would be absurdly high while the risk is absurdly low, though the results of a strike would be devastating.
Same with this switch. The centered “hole” seemed like a low cost solution to a very low risk (as stats prove) “problem”.
The simple numbers and stats show that this is not a problem, though, of course, anyone directly impacted by it would disagree.
I had a 1979 Chevy pickup and usually had about a dozen or more keys on the ring. Several years later, I could take the ignition key out of the tumbler and it would continue to run. Tumblers get worn out.
Everyone has called this the ignition switch, but the switch is actually mounted on the steering column about 2 1/2 or 3 feet from the tumblers. Totally different parts.
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That's exactly right. If you're going to make a product, it had better be safe under expected conditions. A keyring with many keys might not be common, but it is not wildly abnormal.
Sort of like designing a set of stairs. It's not likely that three 400 lb people will be climbing those stairs at the same time. But you had better design for that possibility.
“On a Clear Day One Can Foresee Forever.” a law school article
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