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The New Apologists for Vladimir Putin — on the Right and the Left
PJ Media ^ | March 15th, 2014 | Ron Radosh

Posted on 03/22/2014 2:58:38 AM PDT by No One Special

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To: what's up

Oh Please... I didn’t say anything about South America, and as far as Eastern Europe and the Baltics are concerned, they ARE in NATO, so if there are any red lines, that’s it. The Ukraine is not a NATO member, nor is Crimea. We have no stake, we do not have the lift, our forces are overextended, worn out, and troop morale is in the pits.

We do not have any way of stopping Putin from taking Ukraine if he decides to, and he just might, but we should not make idiots of ourselves by issuing warnings with nothing to back them up.

Putin can play around in South America a bit, but he really has few military options the same way we have few military options in the Black Sea. He doesn’t have the lift or the forces to project in that area of the world.

We need to be thinking clearly about what we can do, what we should do, and what we must do. And right now Ukraine is not on those lists.


41 posted on 03/22/2014 3:10:29 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

An obstacle is something to be removed and this is what Putin wants to do to America. We are the main target of an entity that sees only vassals and enemies. Putin’s grandfather was Stalin’s cook and Putin is trying to rehabilitate Stalin. What do you think the world would look like if there was no America at the end of WWII to counter Soviet expansionism? Do you not think it’s possible Putin likes Stalin’s vision? They lost Cold War I. Maybe they will turn Cold War II hot. Do you not think it’s possible they have first strike plans that only take Putin’s say so to implement? Putin is a psychopath who does not deserve respect, admiration or understanding of any kind. If our political class will not oppose him, the American people along with the rest of the world’s people should.


42 posted on 03/22/2014 3:28:55 PM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

The late communist regime is just familiar. The Czars before it were just as menacing, and justifiably so. Putin has tried to embrace all of it, Czarism as well as their Soviet past.

That is, were Putin a Czar, he would likely be behaving in exactly the same way. The German expression holds true: “Russia remains Russia.”


43 posted on 03/22/2014 5:10:18 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Exactly. A lot of people say that Putin was KGB, therefore he was a Communist.

The fact is, Putin is about power, it’s not about ideology, he would have served the Czar as faithfully as he did the Soviets had they still been in power.


44 posted on 03/22/2014 5:12:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: cripplecreek
While its true that you go to war with the army you have, I'm not sure you can always go to war with the government you have. In this case we have a government with dubious loyalties for at least 3 more years.

Some profound words there.

45 posted on 03/22/2014 5:25:01 PM PDT by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: Vaquero

Putin is a Russian. Russians are either at your feet, at your throat, or intensely studying you to determine which way to move. There’s really no other way to deal with them.

Obama and his “reset” was as ill-advised and unrealistic as Carter and his support of Khomeini. There was never any realistic chance that either of them would be interested in any kissy-faced makeup because Khomeini had cultivated his resentments and hatreds for decades, while Putin had watched what he considered the mightiest and most far-reaching extension of Russian hegemony collapse into disarray and decay.

Both blamed the US then. Both had (have) firm and consistent reasons to dislike the US now, and both have separately come to the sober conclusion that the US is more useful (for any number of reasons) as an enemy than it would be as a friend.

The last is a point that Carter, Clinton, and Carter never managed to accept no matter how hard they tried. Carter thought that the downtrodden of the world would love him if he knifed the Shah. Clinton spent years and mega capital tongue kissing Arafat to get the Pallies to accept peace with Israel, and Obama? Yeesh... that putrid pussy-whipped POS has shown more flexibility than can be found in an unexpurgated and fully illustrated Kama Sutra. Is there a single US ally he has not shafted or a despot he has not bowed to?

All that brings me back to Putin, who is remarkably easy to understand if you just think like a Russian. What do Russians prize most? Respect. What do Russians desire most? Order. Is Putin raising Russia’s standing in the world and imposing order at home? Yes. Therefore, Russians not only accept and praise him, he is practically worshipped. If he crowned himself the Tzar, they would be in ecstasy.

No, America does not need a Putin, but we do need a leader. Unfortunately for us and the free world, what we have is Obama.


46 posted on 03/22/2014 6:57:40 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: Ronin
Putin is a Russian. Russians are either at your feet, at your throat, or intensely studying you to determine which way to move. There’s really no other way to deal with them.

Funny how ‘truisms’ are recycled. I used to fish air out of Montauk Point NY. If the weather was bad the captain would say. ‘ This is Montauk, if the the weather is bad, wait half an hour’.
An Efriend in Oklahoma told me. ‘This is Oklahoma, if the the weather is bad, wait half an hour’.

Back in college, 45 years ago, during political discussions the ‘truism’ was. ‘GERMANS are either at your feet, at your throat, and if they're at your feet, they're looking at your throat ‘

Of course at that time WW2 was only 20+ years ago and WW1 was only 20+ years before that.

And a good chunk of the world considers the US the great satan. As far as the future if Russia in the world, we can stop there aggression a just by having a strong US. zer0 as Chamberlain needs to be replaced with a Churchill.

47 posted on 03/23/2014 4:10:24 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: No One Special
What if you're opposed to both homosexuality and Russian aggression? I suppose there's no place for us.
48 posted on 03/23/2014 8:17:32 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: raybbr; wideawake
And? The author attacks Buchanan but offers no explanation or argument to refute Buchanan's statements.

I don't like Buchanan, but he's 100% correct when he says that our grandparents wouldn't recognize the country we're now living in. I can't believe this is the same country I was born in.

HOWEVER--Buchanan's problem is that he subordinates religion to ethnic identity. To him "chrstian" means "white" (specifically northwestern European). Chrstianity is the white Judaism, whites are the chosen people, Europe (and its daughter societies) are the "holy land," and J*sus is the "kinsman redeemer" of "western [white] civilization." I honestly wonder sometimes if Buchanan is opposed to abortion or birth control among non-whites.

Buchanan seems to scorn co-religionists of different racial/"civilizational" backgrounds. This implies that his "gxd" is a national/racial/civilizational "gxd," not the Objective One True G-d. This seems not only henotheistic, but vulgarly utilitarian as well.

Now dont' get me wrong; no one on this form has been harsher on Black and Hispanic "chrstianity" than yours truly. But the point is that "palaeos," Blacks, and Hispanics are all guilty of the same thing--a national/racial "gxd" as opposed to an Objective and Universal G-d. Blacks and Hispanics have a "kinsman redeemer" who is essentially no different from Huey Newton or Che Guevara. "Palaeos" have a J*sus whose only value is as a prop for European ethnoculture.

I wish more people understood this. Some people think the only objection to "palaeoconservatism" is the Communist/hippie charges of "racism" and "bigotry." It goes much, much deeper than that. Buchanan and his Black and Hispanic opponents (the latter of whom are supposed to be his co-religionists, though neither one acts like it) share what is essentially a worship of blood and genes and chromosomes. J*sus is just a useful totem.

49 posted on 03/23/2014 8:32:03 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: raybbr
Crimea did not have a vote.

Imagine a scenario where Mexico invades southern California, the La Raza chairwoman Janet Margula declares herself the interim president of Alta California, and declares that she will hold a referendum on whether Alta California will leave the United States.

Every loyal American rejects the authority of La Raza to even hold such a referendum and refuses lend legitimacy to the invaders by participating in an illegal referendum.

La Raza wins with 97% of the "vote."

That's what happened in Crimea. Loyal Ukrainians were steamrolled by invaders and fifth columnists.

50 posted on 03/23/2014 10:53:06 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: mac_truck

Conservative/libertarian gays? Where’s the Drudge siren on that one ;-)

(Yeah, Drudge is lettig his freak flag fly a LOT larely.)


51 posted on 03/23/2014 3:22:40 PM PDT by dangus
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