Posted on 01/19/2014 4:50:07 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Your overseas adventures can pound sand.”
You mean like the two plans that slammed into the world trade center? Was that an inside job?
Your over-reaching federal government and it's security apparatus FAILED, state boy.
Spying on Americans didn't stop it.
/johnny
So let me get this straight...you're fine with them recording and storing every call you and your family makes so long as they are bugging the Russian embassy while their at it?
Do you have a problem with the CIA recording all the calls of our enemies across the seas, and keeping tabs on every country in the world, in the same way every nation does (just not publicly)?
You mean like the german chancellor? All sarcasm aside for moment, I don't care what they listen to in other countries. But here, in violation of of key restrictions in the constitution...? Yeah, I have a problem with that.
You need a dose of realisim, and to see the big picture.
I would be more than willing to let you trade your freedom for some false sense of security but you'll have to excuse my opposition to your wanting to take me and everyone else along for the ride.
“Your over-reaching federal government and it’s security apparatus FAILED, state boy.”
Can you please stop with the emotional posts. Does supporting CIA spying of terrorists and other hostile states make me a “state boy?”
How come I can’t oppose domestic spying, but totally support spying of non-citizens to keep Achmed from exploding his car into your mother’s house? What’s the problem with that? What is wrong with having a wire-tap in Vladimir Putin’s phone? Is he under the protection of the U.S. constitution?
“So let me get this straight...you’re fine with them recording and storing every call you and your family makes”
Uh, you already went off course. I never said that. So why are you accusing me of it?
“When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you.”
- Winston Churchill
It's not difficult.
It's a failure.
Americans are losing rights and attacks aren't being stopped.
And you advocate harder and faster, with less lubricant.
Thanks, state boy, but no thanks.
/johnny
“What you advocate DOESN’T WORK.”
Wire-tapping terrorists, all of our spying operations overseas, all of the information we gather from across the world, doesn’t work?
Or maybe you’re just making generalizations because you get your news from Alex Jones who deals in generalizations and half truths?
What exactly do you think is being accomplished?
NSA is suggesting parallel investigations to keep the courts from knowing Americans were spied on, though.
/johnny
If we had had such monitoring pre 9/11 there a great chance the tragedy would never have occurred.
“Wire tapping Americans”
And who says I’m even talking about that? Did you even bother to read my posts? Did you read the article at all?
We’re not talking about domestic spying. I’m talking about all the OTHER stuff that had nothing whatever to do with it, which Snowden handed over to our enemies.
Your question at first glance seemed to say that to me. If it’s not, I’ll retract it. I’m just saying that some “good” things these agencies do doesn’t give them carte blanch to violate out rights.
We have had no devastating attack since 9/11. There has definitely been thwarting of attacks though.
And pre 9/11 we did not have an effective wiretapping program; Clinton was weak on such things. If we had had there's a very good chance 9/11 would not have happened.
After the fact, it turned out that we had a great deal of information about the 9/11 attackers. That didn't stop that attack.
Or the Cole attack, where we also (after the fact) found that we had information, or the Boston attack, where the new 'capture every text message' monitoring was in place.
It isn't working. Americans are still dying.
The down side is that Americans are also losing their freedom and privacy.
And still we die, even with the monitoring.
So find another solution.
/johnny
“Your question at first glance seemed to say that to me. If it’s not, I’ll retract it.”
Retract it. I never had domestic spying on my mind at all. The government should not be able to tap our phone calls, check our emails, search our houses, without a legal warrant in compliance with the constitution.
Non-Americans, however, have no such legal protections.
The NSA revelations throwing light on the Enemy Within was worth whatever risk, real or imagined, the “bone” caused. The Enemy Within is far more dangerous. National security is meaningless when the enemy IS the State.
Exactly.
Your statist solutions aren't working. They are compromising the rights of Americans.
Stop compromising my rights in your failed quest.
I'll take my chances with the terrorists. I know I've got a chance against them.
An over-reaching federal government? Not so much.
/johnny
Glad you hear you say you apparently have common cause with the Cubans, Chicoms, Russkies, North Koreans, and so on and so forth. Putting this country into danger and undermining our long term survival doesn’t put you on the side of any other group than these guys.
Without the Constitution, government by the people, for the people, and of the people, what the hell difference do we have from the citizens of those other countries?
Two terrorist guys bragging about it internationally blew up a race with pressure cookers.
“what the hell difference do we have from the citizens of those other countries?”
The difference is that “citizens” of OTHER countries have no constitutional protections. Only we do. I don’t care if the CIA is tapping the German Chancellor’s phone, or has hacked the computers of every government in the world. I’d consider it negligence if they didn’t.
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