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AZ:No Shooting Unless Zoned for it? Rancher Prevails Against Zoning Department
Gun Watch ^ | 13 December, 2013 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/12/2013 8:38:53 PM PST by marktwain

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Zoning is one of the most tyrannical areas of American law. It was forced on most of rural America in the last half of the 20th century by requiring it in order to obtain federal dollars. Local elites like it because it gives them enormous power with very little accountability.
1 posted on 12/12/2013 8:38:53 PM PST by marktwain
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If a County Ordinance doesn’t permit the activity, the activity is disallowed. No shooting allowed under Ordinance 400, so “no shooting as a matter of right” Simply stated, “you are not allowed to shoot cans on your property.”

Amazing the way they think.


2 posted on 12/12/2013 8:40:29 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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It is not really a County ordinance, but part of the zoning code, probably copied word for word from a “model zoning code” put out by a central “planner” organization. On the first page of such a “model code”, you will often find some equivalent of “Anything that is not allowed in the code is a violation of the code.”

It is an insane way to write law, but it is what it is.


3 posted on 12/12/2013 8:46:45 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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Yet, that is precisely how most zoning codes work.

since it seems the Constitution is now in the twilight zone ima jst gonna go with with the the twilight zone....codify that

4 posted on 12/12/2013 8:49:18 PM PST by bigheadfred
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My mother was from Phoenix, WAY back when there were only 10,000 people there and groups of Indians squatted in their cowboy boots on street corners smoking cigarettes.

She had all kinds of fruit trees in their yard...and a big rifle on a living room rack. Hottern Hades, almost zero humidity, with 1001 motels all around.

Screen doors and a cooler--no A.C. I sat in a big ole rocking chair smack in front of the cooler. My grandfather smoked cigarettes that he rolled himself from a tobacco pouch.

Camelback was a marker for me that I was almost there. Her house was torn down when Phoenix got so big. It would have been in the center of town now, but back then...

There were thunderstorms with no rain at all, just mud falling from the storms, with all the dust and wind.
We took the Greyhound bus there and back. Whew, was it hot and were those Greyhound bus stations dreadful.

5 posted on 12/12/2013 8:53:31 PM PST by cloudmountain
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“you are not allowed to shoot cans on your property.”

Scary. I have been shooting cans in the desert for more than fifty years now (on Federal property) and no one has ever stopped me.

6 posted on 12/12/2013 9:09:11 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (NRA)
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Now we have AC and snowbirds (winter visitors). There is still a lot of wild Arizona, but Phoenix is a huge metropolitan area...

Even Yuma seems to be getting rather crowded to me. Over 100,000 population now, and people are saying it is the next Phoenix...


7 posted on 12/12/2013 9:09:59 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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The “Progressives” have been working on that. We have been fighting regulation that make all shooting on national forests illegal... except...

You can see their design. Everything illegal except what we say... Truly scary.

Then they start regulating and narrowing the “exceptions”.


8 posted on 12/12/2013 9:12:14 PM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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It is interesting to note that the Ruger Ranch is near Prescott, the property that belonged to the Ruger family. Yes, that Ruger family.


9 posted on 12/12/2013 9:21:18 PM PST by Eva
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Now we have AC and snowbirds (winter visitors). There is still a lot of wild Arizona, but Phoenix is a huge metropolitan area...
Even Yuma seems to be getting rather crowded to me. Over 100,000 population now, and people are saying it is the next Phoenix...

OH NO! Not Yuma! Over 100,000 people there? That dusty little town almost on the border? My goodness. I went through there in the 1970's. I got REAL tired of going through Blythe. The Salton Sea held no interest for me at all, so there I went driving my 1968 little red VW right through Yuma, Arizona.

HOT. Yuma was hot. I drove through the summer because I had a little bug. I couldn't afford anything more expensive until I got married. Haha, I kept the bug. My husband thought it was a good car.

I remember that my VW seat belt buckle broke in Mexico City (honking constantly, leaning on the horn, as ALL of Mexico City does), so I went to the VW there, spoke with all those VW Germans also living in D.F. and got another VW seat belt buckle. Good days those were.

10 posted on 12/12/2013 9:35:08 PM PST by cloudmountain
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Ruger is still manufactured in Prescott. I’m surprised they haven’t moved their HQ to Arizona from Connecticut yet.


11 posted on 12/12/2013 9:37:59 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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We moved to AZ from San Diego this past summer. Along the way, we hit Yuma at around 12:30am. It was 102 degrees... in the middle of the night.

It was quite a “Welcome to Arizona!” moment.


12 posted on 12/12/2013 9:42:06 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance.)
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I just googled through all my county’s ordinances and can’t find one that allows me to breathe the air.

Gasssp Choooooke Bye....


13 posted on 12/12/2013 10:13:03 PM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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The way I understand it currently, Its legal to target shoot on Federal (or BLM) land, but illegal on state trust land to shoot a firearm unless you are hunting with a valid hunting license and/or tag if required for whatever your hunting...


14 posted on 12/12/2013 10:59:02 PM PST by AzNASCARfan
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Lived in Yuma for a few years in the mid sixties. I had a significant out of warranty problem with my Kombi wagon. The dealership there also had that strong German presence, and volunteered to do the two day repair job free because “our cars should not have that problem”.

Prescott has been impacted by significant numbers of California libs moving in and bringing their “sensitivities” with them.

15 posted on 12/12/2013 11:25:00 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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“OH NO! Not Yuma! Over 100,000 people there?”

That is permanent residents. Our winter population swells 3X and traffic is annoying in the middle of the day.

I looked at Alaska, but it was so rainy and cold...


16 posted on 12/13/2013 1:49:58 AM PST by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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“My mother was from Phoenix,” ....and all else you wrote
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Very good posting of memories, CM! Prompted me to think of some of mine.


17 posted on 12/13/2013 3:28:01 AM PST by octex
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The way I understand it currently, Its legal to target shoot on Federal (or BLM) land,...
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Me and several friends used to take a total of probably 30 long guns and pistols to the LBJ National Grasslands, which is NW of the DFW area.

We’d go before both dove and duck seasons opened, just to sharpen our skills. We’d fling clay pidgeons by a hand thrower for the shotguns. We’d set them up on the backside of a thick and tall earthen dam for the rifles, etc.

We would always stop at the nearby Sheriff’s office to explain where we were going and they would give us the latest map of roads and trails there. Never a hassle.


18 posted on 12/13/2013 3:50:33 AM PST by octex
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I like the way you write your recollections.


19 posted on 12/13/2013 5:19:51 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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There was an article in the WSJ, a month or so ago, about how local towns in AZ were setting aside additional land for conservation areas. I have to admit that I only skimmed it, looking for mention of Cave Creek or New River, two areas that we like to visit.


20 posted on 12/13/2013 7:04:37 AM PST by Eva
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