Posted on 10/16/2013 1:12:43 PM PDT by IChing
Yeah, you aren’t the first to notice that.. But to be fair, his wife has very serious health problems, mental and physical, and I don’t know how much of it his health insurance covers.
Chesterton wrote about how we did not get to pick our family — we were dropped down the chimney the day we were born and how that broadening experience is what should make us more whole, more Christian and more fulfilled.
We can be fairly narrow when we are only with those who think like we do and insular attitudes develop.
His said something like this — that children bored in the late afternoon are the ones that torture cats — we should look for stimulation, variety right next to us and express honest inquiry. Only in that can a strong mind lead others to truth.
We may be the only example of right thinking that someone might meet.
T. S. Elliot said:
“The world is trying the experiment of attempting to form a civilized but non-Christian mentality. The experiment will fail; but we must be very patient in awaiting its collapse; meanwhile redeeming the time; so that the Faith may be preserved alive through the dark ages before us; to renew and rebuild civilization, and to save the world from suicide.”
Case in point.
Over 20 years ago I had a relationship with a Jewish woman in south Florida whose name would be known to locals down there in Dade/Broward as a known liberal activist on TV and stuff.
She was attracted to me as a bad boy and someone outside her comfort zone...southerner and adventurer etc...an alpha male extreme compared to the slick angst boys she was used to...i think i gave her an excuse to let her hair down and maybe at least play submissive Jane to my Tarzan in a pickup...even though she was one very tough lady mentally....she liked being a girl...opening doors and all that stuff...foreign to her.....I’ve seen other femmies let themselves go like that with guys from my culture
I guess it’s sorta a jungle fever Saltine style..lol
We were both in our 30s and the relationship was about just one thing pretty much but it was still fun and we remained friendly (nonBiblically) even after I had left the area for many years and married and gotten on with my life...like most women I’ve known I tend to remember how much I liked them and enjoyed them versus any of the negatives...it’s just how I am about the fairer sex....I only have negativity about my ex wife who preceded this time by a few years..and who merits my scorn
Then back when Bush was running in 2004 she and I were talking casually over the phone (yes) and she made the comment ...even knowing I was a cultural traditionalist ...that she was working hard against Bush to fight against the Christian Right from getting too much power and hurting women and Jews etc....of course she would always say that motivation and voting for Israel were her main tenets...the ignorance in opposing Israel’s best allies always eluded her...and she was a Penn grad..not stupid
Anyhow...I asked her “well what have the Christian Right ever done to you?”
Her reply “They are anti abortion”
I said OK...indeed we are out to stop abortion no question of that....she had no kids...never did ...she had a career and some cats...though quite fetching...she married an old Jewish guy.
I then asked her “Well...what if I said I vote conservative as possible to thwart Jewish progressives and their attempted transformation of my American culture through their strong if not dominant presence in News Media, Hollywood and TV and academia...how would you react to that honey?”
lol...she said that was different...I said how...in fact while both yours and my statements are hyperbole I actually think mine has a bit more empirical proof in context to what you first said
anyhow...we haven’t spoken since...no fight...just generic politeness and goodbye.... and a chilly realization that the memory of the physical heat we had once sure relished was not enough to carry such diametrically opposed worldviews when you are actually left with just talking...sad ...cause I did like her...she was never at a loss for words....how folks can marry that different though escapes me
no way could I do it...and I didn’t
Thank God
Thanks for your story.
Went out with a guy in college. Similar interests, could hold a conversation, could fix just about anything mechanical or computerwise, just an all around decent guy. Everything was all hunky dory. Until he came by my apt one day with a Clinton/Gore bumper sticker. I hit the eject button pretty quick.
OOps.
I haven’t made that particular mistake again.
We spoke again in early ‘99. He acknowledged that Clinton and Gore were anti-gun and, being a country MS boy, that disturbed him. He also acknowledged that they were highly corrupt and probably selling national security secrets to the highest bidder.
But, he said, at least they were sticking it to those evil rich people...right after he complained about not being able to find a really good paying job.
High IQ, no sense. In his case, he was raised right but the commie English/lib arts departments at MSU broke him.
Shame too. AFAIK from the grapevine 2 or 3 years ago he’s never had kids either.
I had been meaning to tell it before on these kind of threads but never did....it is without question the premier event in my life on this subject
I’m Southern white Christian...I have one liberal friend and maybe 2 lib acquaintances
I have 2 liberal relatives literally out of 2-300 extended family members
Down here this sort of thing doesn’t come up much unless you want it to or live in urban arty area like Nashville or Austin
I just don’t see how a conservative and a progressive can marry and have a life together..a short affair is about the extent of possibilities to me...and now in mid 50s...were I single I would not date progressive women...no doubt whatsoever
it’s like Mark Levin always says ...conservatism is a way of life
Rush and Beck say that too
You’re just handing the rope to the enemy with which they will hang you.
God love you, wardaddy!
Your true life stories are unmatched.
I’ve always been too Christian, too political and too intolerant to have libtard close friends, let alone a libtard husband!
In my Kindergarten class photograph, I’m sporting an “I LIKE IKE” button on my lace collar, for crying out loud...lol.
I hope that answers your question, IChing.
No.
Having said that I point to the Carville-Matalin mating. She may fool some folks, but she is as liberal as old snake eyes.
You’re both correct. Fortunately, like wardaddy, I only have a couple of liberal relatives. They only occasionally show up to family reunion type stuff. Probably because they’re afraid they might see a gun or hear talk about hunting or some such topic. And they’re very very pro-abort. Bless her heart, one of my aunts asked the lib daughter ‘honey, would you kill your dog if it got inconvenient? why kill your baby for being inconvenient?’
...stunned silence from lib daughter...
I made it a point in general conversation to not name call or use bumper sticker phrases as arguments. That is not to say that some libs didn't get angry at general philosophical principles being stated. One black female coworker fairly snarled at me ‘I don't want to hear any of your philosophizing.’ My response was to point out we were the same grade so what she wanted or didn't want was irrelevant to me. That kind of cold shot is very effective with boors. The more you can speak calmly and not tolerate abuse the better. One very effective phrase both with coworkers or family members is ‘Saying (blank) is not acceptable in any way.’ That goes for any abusive or degrading speech directed at one’s self or a group or an individual such as President Bush. If one doesn't call Obama ‘a Kenyan communist’ or some such then you can control the high ground with abusive customers. If they wax more abusive tell them they are vile and rude and walk away. This can be a bit uncomfortable with family members but it often prevents a recurrence of the behavior. if it doesn't tell the offending party you have nothing to say to him or her until they learn to respect you and have some common manners. These phrases and especially ‘that is unacceptable’ are really powerful tools to use. I don't know why but it knocks aggressors off balance almost every time. If the aggressor is a family member then you have to be willing to be thought of ‘as difficult’. With others who are not your boss who cares. Even supervisors can be brought up short by using those words. You are not being disrespectful or insubordinate. People in the military have to be careful of vengeful superiors so I can't say to use this tactic all the time. As a civilian working with military people there were definite limits to what i would tolerate from any supervisor. Once when I told a colonel his speech was abusive and unacceptable from an officer or just a human being i was threatened with being cited as insubordinate. I made the decision then and there to say ‘Please do cite me if you wish. Remember I will immediately write a memo of our exchange as soon as i return to my work area and will quote you verbatim including the oaths and obscenities. Do you want this to go further’. More threats followed but there was no attempt at administrative action.
Bullies and emotional intimadators need to be confronted , the right tools are what is required in the fight.
“conservatism is a way of life”
Yep
I can and am friends with lib voters, however, they’re not really liberals, just generally union voters, uninformed to various degrees. However, with a genuinely informed true blue lib? No. We’ve got some in our family and we’re always cordial to them - we’ll even have them in our home around the holidays, but I don’t respect their views nor am I friends with them. I stay out of political discussions with them.
Not that everybody is in that politicized, polarized world, but people who are can be quite strident about it, and there are more people passionate about politics than there were in his day.
Having spent a lot of my life in the Kansas Missouri borderlands, the memory and history of Quantril, General Order Number 11, the early John Brown activity that soon built to the Pottawatomie Raid and all that, the divide is well understood.
Government now is sooo much bigger and soooo sophisticated in its application of power.
We have to stay mentally prepared for that but if that preparation rules our lives we loose too much.
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