Posted on 07/11/2013 6:27:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
Stomping your feed and demanding such while pretending the 800 pound Roe gorilla is not in the room is hardly a recipe for effective action.
And please tell us how, with a Dem-controlled Senate, we can get a Constitutional amendment to address Roe.
Seriously, you are just being a sanctimonious blowhard. Your sentiments are noble. Your direction from those sentiments are worthless.
You posted, in part: The point is....that this bill, by the very nature of it specifying WHEN (how old the fetus is) that you CANNOT have an abortion, it also implies WHEN you CAN have an abortion.
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I don’t agree with your logic. It would be like saying, a law against armed robbery implies that it’s ok to rob someone without a weapon.
Does the law do all that we might hope it would do? No, but we ought not make the perfect the enemy of the good.
EternalVigilance, I understand what you are saying, but you don’t seem to realize that we are in a long-term war.
You gain ground when and where you can, then you work to gain more.
This bill will limit abortions substantially over the current law.
This reminds me of the fight in Idaho back in the late 1980’s. There was a law that had been passed by Idaho’s legislature that would have restricted abortion to ONLY rape, incest, and imminent death (not “health”) of the mother. This means that 95% of all abortions would have been eradicated in that state.
But, because the law did not go for the full 100% including not allowing abortion for rape/incest/life of mother - many pro-lifers actively worked against passage of the bill. National Right to Life supported it, understanding that you win this war a battle at a time. Pass this law, then work to remove the remaining abortions.
This law is not the end. If it passes and is signed into law (hopefully), then you go to work on the remaining problems.
You are shooting the pro-life movement in the back when you work for defeat of a bill that will save the lives of thousands of unborn children. Pass this one, then begin work on the next step. Sometimes you have to push evil back one step at a time.
You really are an a-hole. The 'crowd' you decry is trying to save what babies can be saved under the current limitations imposed by Roe - limitations you pretend do not exist. That 'crowd' would love to set in place legislation to end all abortion. But they realize that cannot happen as long as Roe exists.
So in other words, they are working to save whatever babies they can while you demand that all babies be saved - while saving none.
One approach actually saves some lives. Hint - it ain't yours.
Too many on the pro-life side are more caught up in their own “I’m better than you” narcissism than in actually getting their hands dirty and preventing abortions. Just like politicians who never really want or intend to SOLVE the problems of social security or anything else — they want the issue to argue about so they can hear themselves pontificate and feed their own egos.
“Notwithstanding, it is better to pass no legislation than to pass legislation that destroys the moral, constitutional, and legal argument against the practice of killing innocents.”
Okay, hypothetically speaking, let’s say you’re standing outside a burning building with several people trapped inside. Would you let them all die simply because you know you can’t rescue all of them?
That is the practical effect of your position.
You want to fund the abortion industry which makes more money on late term abortions than early term abortions.
You want prolife candidates to fight even more money being poured into advertising campaigns against them.
You are PRO LATE TERM ABORTION.
YOU SUPPORT PRO ABORTION POLITICIANS since they agree with your opposition to late term abortion bans.
The law in many states already holds that a fetus IS a person....thus you can be charged with homicide “the killing of a person” for causing the death of a fetus in an AUTO accident...
Your “person” argument is moot already.
What you really are is pro-infanticide under the color of “liberty”...period.
So it’s either all or nothing with you? Look ... the bill will stop a lot of unecessary deaths. Obviously not allowing any at all would be best, but that bill would never pass. This bill gives Texas the toughest restrictions on abortion in the entire nation. That, in my book, is a good beginning. This is not a battle that will be won with one singular bill. It’s going to take many steps to undo what the SC did back in ‘73. And the battle is only going to get tougher.
That said, if EternalVigilance is so much of a Constitution purist, he'd be applauding a state standing up for its guaranteed right to govern itself.
E.V. would be sitting in England on June 10th, 1944 complaining that Ike hasn’t taken Berlin yet and criticizing the Normandy landings because of such.
“There won’t be any less abortions, though. Under this law it is permissible to kill every single child.”
They say a number of clinics will be closed down because of this law because the clinics will not meet the standards.
What Ann Coulter said about Aikin and Mourdock, they were “Pro-Life Bad ___es”, so in the end, the pro-life cause lost with them though for making mistakes, we can’t throw people under the bus. All the same, this points to the need of Pro-Lifers needing to be careful in how they say things in running for office.
Only some? Then clearly it’s bad! /sarc
Would it be moral to oppose a bill that spared paraplegics while quadraplegics still killed?
Of course. At least it spares the paraplegics. Supporting it does NOT endorse the murder of the quadraplegics.
If I were a quadraplegic, I’d vote for it! At least spare some people!
And then I’d continue to work for the protection of the rest, of course.
I was merely stating the point of the article. I don’t support the logic. I fully support the bill. Hope that clears things.
I was merely stating the point of the article. I don’t support the logic. I fully support the bill. Hope that clears things.
Way to go, pro-lifers! *clap clap clap*
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